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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2014, 05:10:20 pm »

http://24tv.ua/home/showOnline.do?lang=ru

Rather hot action right now. Riot police was asked to leave the building, they refused....

Or, of cause, here - http://espreso.tv/stream
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #106 on: January 25, 2014, 05:47:06 pm »

How do you guys get such immediate news? Bleh.

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #107 on: January 25, 2014, 05:53:09 pm »

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I imagine them swimming across the scene on the podium thingy, minding their own business.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #108 on: January 25, 2014, 05:56:06 pm »

I read about those guys - what happened to them?
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #109 on: January 25, 2014, 06:07:43 pm »

NY times front page picture today:
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I imagine them swimming across the scene on the podium thingy, minding their own business.
I like how the cross has some neon thingie around it. It's a nice touch.


Also, they vaguely remind me of the three Therns from John Carter

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #110 on: January 25, 2014, 06:44:35 pm »

Rather hot action right now. Riot police was asked to leave the building, they refused....

Ukraine - the only country in the world where protesters can boss around the riot police.
If Berkut got suddenly replaced by Belarusian OMON, the Euromaidan would end a few hours later. Be glad that you are not in Belarus, Ukrainian Ranger.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #111 on: January 25, 2014, 06:51:52 pm »

Rather hot action right now. Riot police was asked to leave the building, they refused....

Ukraine - the only country in the world where protesters can boss around the riot police.
If Berkut got suddenly replaced by Belarusian OMON, the Euromaidan would end a few hours later.
Only if they use assault rifles. Belarussian OMON never met any actual resistance what makes you thing they are trained enough?  Berkut looked like Rembos  against teenagers, too

If Bertkut would be replaced with German, French, British, Polish or whatever EU country riot police then I would be worried, because they have both training and practice. But then protestors would be arrested in a proper way not stripped and beaten

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #112 on: January 25, 2014, 06:57:51 pm »

Any report on casualties, injuries, and arrests? Looking for numbers for both pro and anti government forces.

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #113 on: January 25, 2014, 07:06:12 pm »

Rather hot action right now. Riot police was asked to leave the building, they refused....

Ukraine - the only country in the world where protesters can boss around the riot police.
If Berkut got suddenly replaced by Belarusian OMON, the Euromaidan would end a few hours later.
Only if they use assault rifles. Belarussian OMON never met any actual resistance what makes you thing they are trained enough?  Berkut looked like Rembos  against teenagers, too

If Bertkut would be replaced with German, French, British, Polish or whatever EU country riot police then I would be worried, because they have both training and practice. But then protestors would be arrested in a proper way not stripped and beaten
Still, the Belarusian OMON wouldn't just stand around like Berkut. Plus, they've handled big opposition rallies in the 1990s.
Berkut spends most of the time standing in one spot looking at protesters while getting pelleted with stones, fireworks and Molotov cocktails. Occasioooonally they beat the opposition back for about 50 meters, only to stand still again after that.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #114 on: January 25, 2014, 07:18:11 pm »

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Looking for numbers for both pro and anti government forces.
Wikipedia is good enough for that purposes and updates regularly  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan


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Plus, they've handled big opposition rallies in the 1990s.
There were Molotovs and organized squads? Doubt it

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Occasioooonally they beat the opposition back for about 50 meters, only to stand still again after that.
They beat opposition back, get counterattacked and retreat

I suspect we may see  OMON in action rather soon.   It looks like humanity got some kind of  "revolutionary virus"  it started with Arab Spring and finally got here from Turkey (across the Black Sea) Some neighbor is next. Why not Belarus?
Half-joking here
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #115 on: January 26, 2014, 03:53:41 am »

Could we please stop the "My riot police are better (worse) than your riot police" thing while its young.
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« Reply #116 on: January 26, 2014, 05:52:25 am »

BTW, I want to explain why riot police has a very hard time.

Core of the radical protesters consist of

1) Afghanistan Veterans: "Union of  Afghanistan veterans and Chernobyl disaster liquidators " Is one of the largest and most organized non-governmental organizations and they are pissed by the government
2) Football Ultras. While fans of some clubs are joining only now, some where there  right from the beginning
3) Various paramilitary nationalist and anarchist  organizations. Includes veterans of various early 1990s wars (Chechnya, Abkhazia, Transnistria and so on)
4) "Cossacks"  Can be described as hardcore historical reconstructors who practice fencing, tricks with real sabers and stuff like that
5) Former police and army officers who were fired during the recent years

All that force organized in hundreds . There are system of rotation, there are reserves, there are intelligence and counterintelligence. There are guys who know a thing or two about military style fortifications.

There are no real weapons stashed. In the same way as there are no nuclear weapons in Israel
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #117 on: January 26, 2014, 07:21:30 am »

BTW, I want to explain why riot police has a very hard time.

Core of the radical protesters consist of

1) Afghanistan Veterans: "Union of  Afghanistan veterans and Chernobyl disaster liquidators " Is one of the largest and most organized non-governmental organizations and they are pissed by the government
2) Football Ultras. While fans of some clubs are joining only now, some where there  right from the beginning
3) Various paramilitary nationalist and anarchist  organizations. Includes veterans of various early 1990s wars (Chechnya, Abkhazia, Transnistria and so on)
4) "Cossacks"  Can be described as hardcore historical reconstructors who practice fencing, tricks with real sabers and stuff like that
5) Former police and army officers who were fired during the recent years

All that force organized in hundreds . There are system of rotation, there are reserves, there are intelligence and counterintelligence. There are guys who know a thing or two about military style fortifications.

There are no real weapons stashed. In the same way as there are no nuclear weapons in Israel

Oh yeah, protesters recently captured a police-held building in Kiev, they found live ammo on the roof.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #118 on: January 26, 2014, 02:50:24 pm »

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #119 on: January 26, 2014, 03:09:02 pm »

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