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Author Topic: Goblins: So How Hard Are You? (Makes sense in context)  (Read 154048 times)

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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #405 on: February 11, 2014, 05:47:53 am »

The start was significantly more quirky and jokey. It's just been gettign a lot more serious as it when on.
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« Reply #406 on: February 11, 2014, 06:07:42 am »

The start was significantly more quirky and jokey. It's just been gettign a lot more serious as it when on.

That seems to be kind of a trend in story-driven Webcomics. Dunno why.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #407 on: February 11, 2014, 12:27:37 pm »

The start was significantly more quirky and jokey. It's just been gettign a lot more serious as it when on.

That seems to be kind of a trend in story-driven Webcomics. Dunno why.

Because it's hard to keep coming up with jokes and have a story at the same time. Drama simply makes for easier storytelling, at least for most people.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #408 on: February 11, 2014, 12:56:58 pm »

Probably because there's only so many jokes so can do without making an arc, and an arc is often unstaisfying without further character development. Character development beyond a point is difficult if everything is jokes. Once serious elements for character development have been inserted, it becomes harder to go back to silly jokes.

Thus.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #409 on: February 11, 2014, 01:11:42 pm »

In counterpoint, Gunnerkrigg Court.

I agree that it's more difficult - but a good author thrives in difficult spaces, and it's certainly possible. Thunt ventured into cute romance in the middle of a dungeon, and he did the "leveled up by pooping in the corner" joke in the middle of a dramatic section.

Perhaps an author starts out writing something funny because he doesn't know if it will succeed, and failure in comedy is not so emotionally damaging as failure in drama. The tone of the piece suggests the intrinsic value of the piece to outsiders, whose opinions the author values. Failing or succeeding at a lark is of minor consequence. Failure or success at serious drama is Important. So the author creates a comedy and when it starts doing well he switches to drama.

It may also be that the patron wants comedy because comedy sells, and only later when the author gains some power in the relationship he's able to influence the work and make it more what he wanted to do in the first place. See: M*A*S*H.

You also see this general trend in artistic culture: "I started out doing something lighthearted but now I want to do something serious." Do you start over with a new, serious piece? Or do you warp your comedy into a drama because you already have people paying attention to you there? Regardless of the change virtually ruining the piece?

In sitcoms you start seeing "very special episodes" and eventually it's mostly drama with a couple halfhearted jokes that the live studio audience hardly laughs at. Why does this happen? Are we tired of seeing these characters in comedy and want a change? Should the show remain a comedy because that's what the characters were built for, and if you wanted a drama you should be watching a different show? Why are sitcoms susceptible to this dramatic perversion into soap operas?
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #410 on: February 11, 2014, 08:04:27 pm »

Is it bad that I started reading the comic from right to left?
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #411 on: February 11, 2014, 08:07:26 pm »

No? Especially not if that's normal in... wherever you are. Or you read right to left regularly regardless. It can take a bit to switch tracks.
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« Reply #412 on: February 11, 2014, 08:16:44 pm »

No? Especially not if that's normal in... wherever you are. Or you read right to left regularly regardless. It can take a bit to switch tracks.
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« Reply #413 on: February 12, 2014, 03:06:08 am »

Probably because there's only so many jokes so can do without making an arc, and an arc is often unstaisfying without further character development. Character development beyond a point is difficult if everything is jokes. Once serious elements for character development have been inserted, it becomes harder to go back to silly jokes.

Thus.

It makes sense, but I still think its weird, or at least awkward.  Dont get me wrong, I dont want to imply the Comic is bad or anything, but while it was Drama that felt "inserted" before, while the jokes are the main thing, its now the other way around. Its especially noticeable when you browse the earlier comics of a given Story, and compare it to newer ones. I usually cant decide if I like the shift and prefer the new stuff, or not. Also, I think it would feel better if the Author had went for this approach from the start.

But I can at least say that the guy made me care enough about some of the Characters that I come back to it regularly, so the whole Drama-aspect cant be THAT bad. Altough im still pissed that he killed chief.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #414 on: February 12, 2014, 03:27:25 am »

He should've stuck with comedy, because his drama is all about jumping sharks.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #415 on: February 12, 2014, 10:04:26 am »

I'm pretty sure you can only jump the shark once. That's like the whole point of the expression.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #416 on: February 12, 2014, 12:47:39 pm »

It's sharks jumping each other all the way down.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #417 on: February 21, 2014, 08:26:36 pm »

Thunt has a very odd concept of "today".
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« Reply #418 on: February 21, 2014, 08:27:34 pm »

dammit man i thouht he updated
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Kore I Am Your Son
« Reply #419 on: February 21, 2014, 08:34:04 pm »

Thunt has a very odd concept of "today".
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