Basic history of the game, with a heavy focus on the interactions of myself and Rolepgeek.:
This
link may be useful for you, it is the lurker tracker for the game. You can use it to view each player's posts in a somewhat organized fashion. It'll also tell you when each player last posted and who they posted for.
One thing it's great for is counting who posted however many posts, or scrolling backwards or forwards through a specific player's posts if you wish to do so. Ignore it if it doesn't serve your purposes.
'My story', limited to D3 and the players still alive. There's a longer version, encoded through the thread, voting patterns and such may matter but unless you ask for other details, I'll keep it to current and relevant - that means talking only about those alive, but I find as I type it that I must give brief mention to the involved dead. I'm trying to keep it brief... I seriously fail at brief. I think of things as entire wholes.
Rolepgeek initially appeared Townlike to me. He asked questions of all players in the initial days of the game and followed up on several answers (this is generally considered Townlike behavior, though at the time I did not know this. This is also my first Mafia game, not just here but anywhere - I have been accepted into two other non-beginner games, both of which started in the last 10 days... my play has drastically grown because I have learned a huge amount fast).
Meanwhile during these first few days of play, I (who also was interacting with everyone) had become alarmed at the very start of the game by Deathsword (replaced by Tiruin) having posted as an IC instructing players to use quotes when answering each other - but then failing to obey his own direction. This seemed Scummy to me and I questioned Deathsword on it.
In this
post Rolepgeek challenges me on my concerns, interpreting my post as having nothing to do with Scummy behavior but matters of behavior and ettiquette. He says it is not scum-hunting, but taking things out of context. He challenges my other questions as too specific to have a point, that more vague questions would give info about playstyle and general demeanor, but I appear to be active lurking and not helping anyone. All of these are near quotes lifted from his post I linked in this paragraph. I am the first player he presses outside of true random voting and I answer him
here.
At this point I'm chasing three players, The first super lurky Lukenator (now
Persus13 - died Night 1 to the Scum, proven vanilla Town); the second, superblackcat, who was pushing from the start of play to begin with two days of no-lynches, but who was not Scumhunting himself and never actually did much of anything (
superblackcat died Night 2 to the Scum, proven vanilla role blocker); the third Kleril who doesn't press any questions or give reasons for his obviously reluctantly placed vote maked after being challenged by Mr.Zero (now you) and Deathsword (now Tiruin) - from his post
voting me he shifts to
saying "Imp, I do not believe that you are scum. Really, you have me completely convinced that you are town, and that's what I'm wary about. Your words have a
lot of sway, and it scares me." He is unable or unwilling to explain his vote, or his sudden switch to 'complete conviction' that I am Town, at least in a way that satisfies me or several others it must have been a misunderstanding, but at the time I believe he is Scum trying to cover tracks and mistakes - I also believe I catch him in a lie about the misunderstanding, challenge that too; he largely gives up trying to explain himself at that point)
Kleril is the D1 lynch and he is proved to be vanilla Town.
Rolepgeek continues to challenge me over my challenge to Deathsword (which I had dropped totally before he challenged me about it the first time), including
saying "Imp, you still keep taking stuff out of context. Stop it." followed by a defense of Deathsword. I
reply "I had stopped it, as of post #69. You reopened it with post #102 and included it as one of two reasons why I earned your vote. When I challenge someone's behavior, I want to see their response. You say 'stop it' when I respond to you. Rephrasing to simplify my still unanswered question to you: You wrote, directed at me, 'Yeah, you're asking questions, and yeah, they're related to the game, but they don't actually help anyone.' Do you perceive all of my questions to be of the active-lurking sort?"
His answer is the last of his regular replies for an entire week (he does place two one liners during this week), and he
answers "So I'm gonna answer in a short way first. The answer is no. Not all of them. The long answer is yes. The overwhelming majority, and almost everything past the first post, is active-lurking. You aren't scum-hunting, you're commenting on other people's behaviour(but mostly their semantics and nuances of speech, etc., rather than actual scummy activity), asking for clarifications occasionally, made fun of Kleril for a bit... really, it's just frustrating, because I can tell you're intelligent. You're just not focusing on the right parts."
When he comes back after a week's absence, he launches an offensive and almost assaultive
post primarily about how annoyed he is at me especially for a
post I made six days earlier, but also addressing his lurkiness and how he hasn't been following the game and isn't prepared to answer almost anyone's questions to him. His charming return to play includes comments like these: "First, let's respond to questions. Then, I can pick apart Imp at my leisure. Mostly Imp because he's been annoying me" I
challenge his attacks upon me and state that I do not wish to interact with him further, that I hope someone else will handle the Scumhunting in regards to him, though I will if I must.
Rolepgeek follows with
another delaying post the next day, claiming "Posting to show I'm not ignoring this. Put it off too long to be able to post it tonight, but I've got the post saved on my computer. Will finish it and post it tomorrow. It has all my answers and such, and more." The next day he
provides a long post where he unvotes, asks for replacement (it's October 9th - note he is still here and still asking for replacement even now), tries to answer the questions he promised and mainly does so by explaining how confused he is about who posted what, how he's unsure if he can remember what he was thinking when he said things, how he's lazy and unmotivated, and how he cannot support his previously given Town and FoS picks. He does express his reaction to my challenge to him telling me "It was pretty impolite. So was mine, to a point, and I apologize for that, but yours was quite a bit worse." He remains semi-inactive through the rest of D1 and returns to 'replace me, but I'll be active now' play D2.
During D2, he and Deathsword team to challenge me, essentially ignoring everyone else. They both appear to be defending the other and they both essentially ignore all other players other than minor answers to the few questions directed at them. I had started that D with discussion to everyone and a vote upon Rolepgeek.
D2 essentially starts here This period of the game ends
here, near the end of D2, covering a week of playtime and about 60 posts, around half of them from us three and discussing everything Scummy about each other as well as how the two of them defend each other - note I do not discuss this defense. I don't want them to stop, I want to see how deep it goes. Shortly before this time ends, Rolepgeek
places his vote on Superblackcat:
AND NOW FOR THE IMPORTANT PART DUR DUR DURRR
Since it's a tie, I need to vote someone, to break it at the least. I'm not actually going to vote Imp, since I'm starting to think she has important things to make clear, and I want to give her a chance to cut stuff down so she isn't fucking with my eyes anymore. >.> So I'll vote Superblackcat, as they(genderwhutidunno) look to have been active-lurking for the last long while, without really contributing. Plus, you know, the whole ground that's already been trodden upon stuff with buddy-stabbing. 
That 'Buddy-stabbing' issue, a concern discussed on D1 when I thought both Kleril and superblackcat were Scum and had tried to examine possible connections between them, had been solidly disproven early in the game, which may explain his emoticon use.
Immediately after that time period, Deathsword unvotes (had been voting me) and requests replacement. Both of them return to inactivity for the rest of the D. Deathsword never returns, he is replaced by Tiruin immediately before D2 ends.
Weird inactivity-related stuff helps cause Darvi, experienced player, inactive on our thread for two weeks but still active elsewhere in the forum, to be selected as the D2 lynch.
Darvi proves to be vanilla Town.
D3, Rolepgeek makes
two posts returning to the attack upon me. No scumhunting, in my opinion. Just assault. I have nothing further to say to him, and do not reply - the players I need to talk to are largely completely inactive. Though all but you speaks at least once, none but rolepgeek place votes, there is almost no activity, this continues patterns from earlier play only worse, and it appears the game shall end. I wait. Then you enter the thread in the game's 11th hour.
The briefest summary of Rolepgeek's main Scumminess is listed below, though the list of minor supporting clues are so many they almost defies summary. He's also been quite defensive of Deathsword, both in the start of play and extensively during D2, where they both defended each other in several of the posts each made during that time. Deathsword defended no other player but himself. Rolepgeek defended Lukinator (was replaced by Persus13), but -only- after Lukinator had left the game. During the time Luke was actually in game (and if ever, needed protection?) Rolepgeek said nothing about his defense. No idea what that means to Rolepgeek. I would have asked him -then-, but I have learned most of what I know about play since.
Some of the biggies: Lurky, unfulfilled promises, overall lack of scumhunting, apparent and claimed lack of focus on game.
But the thing is, I'm not 100% sure he is Scum. Sure he's Scummy. He seems the Scummiest to me, even accounting for how he has -worked- to be directly and personally aggressive towards me from early in the game. But I also have deep concerns about Deathsword/Tiruin, and almost equally deep ones about Squill.
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