All of this attention makes me feel loved inside. ^.^ Back to business!
TheWetSheep:Birdy:
Now, as for you and why I dislike your vote. I can understand wanting to get out RVS, but I can hardly see how my post was role fishing.
How was it rolefishing?
-If he answered "No" it would make him less of a NK target because he's likely to have a more boring role
-If he gave more information than a "yes or "no" it could reveal something else about his role.
Basically asking anything about anybody's role could be considered rolefishing. But that's not all that important to me, since it wasn't all that suspicious. I voted you for a reaction, and you jumped pretty high and dodged the question.
Given that I had innocent intentions when I wrote the question, it causes me to ponder what in particular made that one post stand out to you.
So any attack on you when you're town merits an OMGUS-y vote because you know that you had innocent intentions?
Now you are become a tad unreasonable.
- If he had answered "no", it would have been a rather off-color gesture against Wuba. Regardless of the performance, the audience claps, does it not? The same is with these roles. I would have been surprised by any answer, except for yes. To say "no" is to not clap, and instead hiss at the performers like a cat.
- Here's another sticking point. The word "could" is rather open. However the fact of the matter is, I wasn't asking to him to reveal any vital elements about his role, or even whether his role was a person, place, or thing.
Secondly, no. I dodged the question because I actively mistrust both your question and your intentions. I believe I have right to question arguments made against me. Now, I realize that I did not ask this directly, but shall now ask it with bolded emphasis.
What made my post stand out to you? Imp:Birdy:
To the first, I tried to look for something on the Mafia Scum wiki, but I have ultimately failed. I've read it some where on that sight where it actually recommended considering lynching the Towniest player at LYLO. But instead of flashing that particular page heroically I shall have to make due with not being able to find it.
I got curious and tried to search that up, I couldn't find it either through Mafia Scum wiki's search or Google. Thought I found a reference to it with a Google of "lynching towniest player lylo", but that was actually a game thread for a "Weird Voting Mafia", and yeah, it had weird voting.
Checked it because Google quoted "So even if they weren't the towniest player during the day, the fact that the .... you want to see lynched), the towniest at the top (the person you want to have...", that quote seemed pretty garbled but I thought it might relate to what you found; nope, they had a crazy vote system and were trying to teach each other (even at lylo!) how to avoid accidentally lynching people that were seen as Town picks (the voting system required every player to vote for every player, order mattered). Glad that's not our game.
I did want to find the page you were talking about if I could, it sounds interesting, but even more I'd like to know how you'd use it. What advantage do you see in "flashing that particular page heroically" if you could?
What do you think of that voting strategy as you described it? Have you used it in play or do you plan to try it, at lylo or at any other point in play?
TheWetSheep:
Birdy:
Cheeetar - Are you satisfied with your role?
I love the smell of rolefishing in the morning. Why did you ask this?
To the second, why are you so concerned about that question in particular? Are you really worried that I might be role fishing, or are you simply looking for a prospective target?
Mostly the latter, actually. I prefer pressuring people on valid points to randomly voting and asking hypotheticals. Why am I suspicious for voting you on a scumtell instead of random-voting?
Now, as for you and why I dislike your vote.
How serious do you perceive TheWetSheep's 'case' against you? How serious do you perceive his vote to be?
The devil's advocates needs to win the debate sometimes! There are occasions where a somewhat seedy person might simply be a lazy townie, and occasions where a righteous townie are complete under scum buckets underneath the skin. Perceived authority can be rather tricky and deceptive.
Now, I have yet to use this strategy once. I've only been at LYLO once, and that was a scumbucket. If I am still alive at LYLO in this game however, I will try to look at both sides of the arguments with an even eye. This, barring any unusual shenanigans. Given that this is a BYOR, I think that this game will already be abounding in Shenanigans, and we can rest assured the LYLO will be rather interesting.
Now, as to my phrase of "waving it heroically", I like winning debates and arguments. It's certainly not something I would have held over anyone's head, but rather a sort of cherished "AHA!" moment.
Finally, I am taking TheWetSheep's argument seriously, because I find it lacking under pressure. While my numerous gaffes are both amusing and potentially deadly to myself, I don't think his base argument holds much water. He's assuming that I have overreacted. On the flipside of the coin, I think his question and vote was overreacting to the RVS question I asked Cheeetar.
His reaction is what caused me to believe he could be scum. To use his own words,
Birdy:
Cheeetar - Are you satisfied with your role?
I love the smell of rolefishing in the morning. Why did you ask this?
To the second, why are you so concerned about that question in particular? Are you really worried that I might be role fishing, or are you simply looking for a prospective target?
Mostly the latter, actually. I prefer pressuring people on valid points to randomly voting and asking hypotheticals. Why am I suspicious for voting you on a scumtell instead of random-voting?
I didn't think his point was valid in the first place, especially now that he himself has gone against it. TheWetSheep is establishing himself as valid, but he skips the part where he admits that his both his question and his vote were weak.
Hrmm... Regardless my point is getting convoluted. When I get some time, I'll try to arrange both off our arguments in some kind of meaningful context as opposed this gobbeldy gook mess of disconnected thoughts and words.
Cheeetar:@Cheeetar
I realise the worth of the wild mass questioning of day 1 in that it gives people something to actually talk about and helps clue the town in on who's scummy, but I feel that there're more than enough questions already being asked, and I'd feel more confident asking questions when I have something of substance to act upon. I've probably (?) not been asked before because people are trying to draw everybody into the conversation.
How'sabout you humor us then? What are you looking for on Day 1 that'll convince that it's time to start getting heavily involved?
There are a wide number of things I might twig at. I suppose I'll know it when I see it!
For now, I'm going to unvote TolyK and FoS birdy51- Upon reflection, I find it slightly hard to believe that the only reason you had for asking me about my role was idle curiosity, or a need to ask something. You could have posed any number of questions of me, but decided upon my role.
A counter-question. How well do you know me, or what kind of roles I enjoy to play?
TolyK:TolyK
Basically, Iqovian and Birdy would bus, while Imp seems unsure. Will report some more later.
Curious. I'd be interested in hearing what you'd conclude from that.
See below.
I think Cheetar, Imp, TolyK and you are the most engaged in the game and this is usually a good proxy for town. I found Cheetar a bit too passive at the beginning but he's done a fairly good job of explaining where he's coming from.
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I'm usually even more wanting to play the game as scum, though, since that's rarer. So I don't quite agree with your logic.
@TolyK
Well you’ve not posted much but are apparently quite busy. Fair enough, however when you HAVE posted what you’ve said has amounted to questioning the people you don’t know. Next time you post I hope you have more than active-lurking to show for it.
Who do you see as scummiest and why?
See below.
Nerjin:
@Everyone: Which three players would you most like to be confirmed town and which player would you think is most devestating as scum?
birdy51, The_Iqovian, and Imp for the first and Toaster for the second.
What's funny is that these are exactly the guys I'm looking at right now.
Now, as for you and why I dislike your vote. I can understand wanting to get out RVS, but I can hardly see how my post was role fishing. Given that I had innocent intentions when I wrote the question, it causes me to ponder what in particular made that one post stand out to you.
You can still do scummy stuff if you have innocent intentions.
I don't hear much about passivity finding Scum. Could you offer some links to help me find where passive play has been used effectively to assist and ensure Town wins?
This is really painting yourself as town. As in, this is like saying "I'm town", except "Help me work for the town's cause".
It makes you look as if you're trying to make yourself look like a fluffy bunny that's asking for help.
Don't you agree?
*post*
*other post*
Neat. There's something here, but I don't have the time to look at it right now. Ping me later in case I forget.
The Iqovian
Well there's no one to shift any of the large amounts of blame I'm sure to accrue onto yet, and I can't read any of you. So there isn't that much to say, yet.
So your way of forming reads in the face of low-content is to... sit back and answer the handful of questions people pose?
At this stage of knowing absolutely nothing about the other players, any questions I pose will be horribly generic @everyones which will do nothing but display my own ineptitude.
Or land myself in hot water, like with Cheeetar's rolefishing fiasco.
You seem pretty concerned with not being in hot water. I understand you, however Cheeetar didn't really have anything on you, so it's not really hot water, is it?
Scummy? A bit. But they all have something in common, don't they?
I'm not quite following you with this one… Would you care to expound why you clump us all together?