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[birdy51]

There was one that my sister played that stood out to me...

Something about traveling through different time periods to find out who framed your future self as your past self.

That one struck me as pretty damn good, though it's from a few years back.

[itisnotlogical]

I don't think there's a single point-and-click that I've beaten without a guide. Maybe an extremely short escape-the-room game on Newgrounds. I haven't played a newer Telltale-style one, but that's just my own disinterest in the genre.

What always bothered me about point-and-click as a genre is that the game itself is irrelevant once you know all the puzzle solutions; there's no skill element beyond bullshit instakill quick time events.

[Neonivek]

What always bothered me about point-and-click as a genre is that the game itself is irrelevant once you know all the puzzle solutions; there's no skill element beyond bullshit instakill quick time events.

Wait what? Ohhh... No that is the Interactive Fiction genre.

Well... then again there was The Silver Lining that was a point and click with quick time events (that was annoying)

[kilakan]

I mean, there's instakill quick time events in that point and click you forced me to play awhile ago, kings quest I think.  There was like... 3 or 4 spots where I had to flip tables/close doors/dodge arrows in time or I died.

It's not as blatant as todays quick time events when buttons show up on the screen but it's close enough really.

[Neonivek]

I mean, there's instakill quick time events in that point and click you forced me to play awhile ago, kings quest I think.  There was like... 3 or 4 spots where I had to flip tables/close doors/dodge arrows in time or I died.

It's not as blatant as todays quick time events when buttons show up on the screen but it's close enough really.

Ahh! Quest for Glory!

I remember that part of the game! I admit I was laughing quite a bit.

Though I don't give that section particular credit for being good... Given that it is just pure trial and error with vague indications of what to do... made EVEN WORSE by when it was first made and you had to type in all your actions.

[Egan_BW]

I don't think there's a single point-and-click that I've beaten without a guide. Maybe an extremely short escape-the-room game on Newgrounds. I haven't played a newer Telltale-style one, but that's just my own disinterest in the genre.

What always bothered me about point-and-click as a genre is that the game itself is irrelevant once you know all the puzzle solutions; there's no skill element beyond bullshit instakill quick time events.

Hmm. I thought that Technobabylon had refreshingly logical puzzles and stuff, but even then I looked up the guide sometimes. Either because of dumb solutions or my own thick skull.

[Neonivek]

I don't think there's a single point-and-click that I've beaten without a guide. Maybe an extremely short escape-the-room game on Newgrounds. I haven't played a newer Telltale-style one, but that's just my own disinterest in the genre.

What always bothered me about point-and-click as a genre is that the game itself is irrelevant once you know all the puzzle solutions; there's no skill element beyond bullshit instakill quick time events.

Hmm. I thought that Technobabylon had refreshingly logical puzzles and stuff, but even then I looked up the guide sometimes. Either because of dumb solutions or my own thick skull.

They way I put it is if you find out the solution to a puzzle and go "Why didn't I think of that?" it was probably a good one. If you immediately go "Well how was I supposed to know?" then it was likely bad.

Kind of makes me wish I kept up my point and click letsplays... I should have been smarter then let people pick since Syberia while I will vouch for being a good game. Is REALLY dry and boring.

[Mech#4]

I found I had to get into the mindset of the games logic. Day of the Tentacle is quite bizarre so more illogical solutions are probably more likely, same with Sam and Max: Hit the Road.

Spoiler: Puzzle in Day of the Tentacle (click to show/hide)

 You need vinegar for a battery. So you put wine in a time capsule, go to the future, get the now vinegar and flush it back to the past.

I think one of the more obtuse puzzles in the King's Quest series is the golden bridle. I don't think there's any hints to it and if it's based off a fairy tale I don't know of it.


All that said, I would rather adventure games be difficult than too easy. I feel developers of adventure games err too far on the side of caution and make the puzzles too easy. Being stumped is frustrating but solving it after leaving and coming back, maybe even a few days later, is very satisfying as well as making the game last longer.


Though, to me, the adventure game genre faded away with the advent of 3D. Games like "Escape from Monkey Island" and "Grim Fandango", while enjoyable, suffered badly from awkward tank controls and stiff, blocky characters.

[itisnotlogical]

I hate it when games have a map that's arranged where up is up, down is down and so on, but then the game world has a diagonal perspective, or vice versa.

It's weird that I hate this so much because I can't think of any examples.

[Shadowlord]

Do you mean like in Ultima Online?

[Virtz]

I recall Warhammer 40k: Chaos Gate having something incredibly horrible going on with its minimap and/or keyboard scrolling. Like the keyboard scrolling controls were not oriented the way the minimap was? I think? They might not have even been oriented with the isometric view. It was really disorienting, whatever it was.

Thankfully, no other game I can think of did it that badly ever again.

[Neonivek]

Also for those who think that day of the tentacle puzzle is too obtuse.

It is actually hinted at on two sides. Allowing you to gracefully solve it without knowing the trick.

[itisnotlogical]

It annoys me when characters have no idea how powerful you are, even when it's very visually apparent.

Spoiler: Fallout 3 (click to show/hide)

In Fallout 3, the Overseer who takes over after you leave is this smarmy, cocky asshole who treats you like just another unarmed, jumpsuit-wearing loser, even though by this point I had Enclave power armor and was pointing a laser rifle directly at his face. Not to mention the fact that I had survived for weeks on the outside, after killing my way out of the Vault single-handedly with nothing but a baseball bat and some stolen armor.

I suppose it was kinda funny to explode his head after the big speech he made about killing me, though.

Also, how the hell do people keep recognizing me if I'm wearing a helmet that covers my entire face?

[Shadowlord]

Spoiler: Fallout 3 (click to show/hide)

I think he's the same guy who was running things when he sent the guards for you.

I can't think any games off the top of my head where characters recognize your power based on what you're wearing. I do remember in the Witcher townsfolk would exclaim something like "A witcher! Hide your women!" when they spotted you (Geralt).

[Rolan7]

That is a big gripe I have in Bethesda RPGs, yeah, suicidal enemies.  Oblivion actually came close to having a good system for it.  Heck I don't know, maybe random bandits were sometimes willing to let you pass if you had enough speechcraft and the right race?  Pretty sure the charm spells would fix them.  Though, it's more profitable to just kill them.

Skyrim dumbed that down, but of course mods make it better.  Multiple speechcraft mods which allow bribing enemies, or just convincing them you aren't worth assailing.  Not based on equipment, but probably based on level (the Skyrim charm spells certainly were, which was pretty stupid).