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[10ebbor10]

On another note, when does the election end?.

[Ghazkull]

Owlbread, the Situation of the Colonies will crop up later in the game...although you can try and make your own party centering around the independence of German Colonies i don't really see a point in a One-Issue-Party.

EDIT: Elections end  on 4 of June, but thats mentioned on the poll at the bottom

[Owlbread]

Owlbread, the Situation of the Colonies will crop up later in the game...although you can try and make your own party centering around the independence of German Colonies i don't really see a point in a One-Issue-Party.

EDIT: Elections end  on 4 of June, but thats mentioned on the poll at the bottom

Maybe if we allign ourselves with the Social Republican ideology we could form a coalition with Hellhound's party.

[10ebbor10]

EDIT: Elections end  on 4 of June, but thats mentioned on the poll at the bottom

You do know that you can't reuse timed polls, right?

*If my information is correct.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Owlbread, the Situation of the Colonies will crop up later in the game...although you can try and make your own party centering around the independence of German Colonies i don't really see a point in a One-Issue-Party.

Do you see the point of an anti-Masonic party?

[Owlbread]

Central African National Liberation Movement - Mittellafrikanische Nationale Befreiungsbewegung

1. Central African National Liberation Movement - Mittellafrikanische Nationale Befreiungsbewegung (MNB)
2. A Clenched Fist, set against the Pan-African Flag.
3. Social Democracy, Pan-African Nationalism, anti-Colonialism, Confederalism, Republicanism, Independence of the Free State of Central Africa
4. The independence of the Free State of Central Africa, which will become the Central African Confederation.

Foreign Policy

The Central African Confederation will declare neutrality upon gaining independence, though they will seek to establish closer ties with liberated former colonies such as the Hyderabad Federation in India and the United States. We will support any pro-independence movements outwith the Free State, such as in Somaliland, Madagascar, Beijing, Shandong and Western Africa.

Social Policy

The Central African Confederation will be a country founded on anti-Imperialist, democratic principles. The Federation will be composed of national "Commonwealths", entities created for the good of their people. The provision of health care and education are top priority.

Economic Policy

Though we would lie closer to the centre of the political spectrum, the Central African Confederation will investigate radical Socialist agricultural methods such as collective agriculture to provide jobs and food to the masses.

5. Election Platform:

The MNB believes that the provision of Universal Suffrage and female service in the military should be at the discretion of the respective Confederal Commonwealths; there are too many cultural differences in Central Africa to impose such policies at a federal level.

We are broadly ambivalent with respect to military doctrine; though we would prefer to de-militiarise ourselves we recognise the importance of a strong military in Central Africa to protect our people, and indeed the less fortunate in other colonies, from the evils of neo-Colonialism.

We outright oppose the expansion of Mitteleuropa or any other alliance/pan-German irredentist foreign policy.

Self determination is a keystone policy of the MNB; we support independence referendums across the empire and seek a state-wide referendum in the Free State on our independence.

Though our focus is primarily on the colony, we do support increased cooperation with syndicalists with diplomatic pressure towards democratic reform. Syndicalist philosophers and activists may be of some use when creating our new state.

We broadly oppose the continuation of Realpolitik.

6.

The MNB was founded originally in 1931 by dissident Central African Nationalist writer and activist François Boganda. He is currently based in Berlin where he, along with a number of his followers, can often be found giving speeches and handing out pro-independence pamphlets. The party seeks to establish a coalition with the anti-imperialist, social democratic "SRP".

7.

Current members:

Owlbread

[Ghazkull]

Several Problems with that. We are before World War 2 all Colonies still belong to their respective owner/are claimed by Germany. Link to World Map of Kaiserreich World: World of Kaiserreich(Click the Picture to get a real high resolution map)

I won't manage two Countries, one is mad enough, once you declared independence you can basically dissolve your party because it won't be in Control of Mittelafrika (As the German Conglomerate of African Colonies is called) but of the German Kaiserreich.

 Germany in the Kaiserreich World has never been infected with National-Socialism so i'd rewrite your Party History as the German stance towards coloured people was far more moderate than was the american or british, that changed when Hitler took over power in real history, but still German-African-Colony Natives were treated far better than their British Counterparts.

Mittelafrika is actually faring pretty well as Germany puts billions into Industrializing the Country, Africans in Mittelafrika have far higher living standards than in any other African Country and are enjoying the same rights as white people. Far more interestingly it is mentioned several times that germany in fact seeks to either force Mittelafrika into independence or turning it over to Corporate Leaderships as Southeastern China due to the fact that it is a horrible moneysink (but that is the official canon, how you deal with it is your choice.)
Really the only German Colony who is being treated badly is in Southeastern-Asia because it is under Corporate Control.

Going from your party program and general ideas i'd suggest you rather join one of the non-imperialist parties instead of forming your own party.

[Owlbread]

Several Problems with that. We are before World War 2 all Colonies still belong to their respective owner/are claimed by Germany. Link to World Map of Kaiserreich World: World of Kaiserreich(Click the Picture to get a real high resolution map)

Yes, I referred very closely to that map. I presumed that some of the dependencies in India were actually independent but I must have been wrong.

I won't manage two Countries, one is mad enough, once you declared independence you can basically dissolve your party because it won't be in Control of Mittelafrika (As the German Conglomerate of African Colonies is called) but of the German Kaiserreich.

I don't really see any problems with that, I wouldn't want to keep just one party all the time anyway. Maybe we could appear later on; schisms may form, leading to civil wars that threaten German interests in that part of the world or something. There's no way that Confederation would stay together. What if the Central African Confederation attempted to invade other German territories in Africa? That war would become an election issue. In the event of a civil war do you support the separatists, or do you support the Central African Unionists? Or do you remain neutral and put the other colonies at risk? Is a divided Africa in your interests, or a united one?

Germany in the Kaiserreich World has never been infected with National-Socialism so i'd rewrite your Party History as the German stance towards coloured people was far more moderate than was the american or british, that changed when Hitler took over power in real history, but still German-African-Colony Natives were treated far better than their British Counterparts.

The history part focusses mostly on the German public's reaction. I doubt that at that time (when far-right ideas were being thrown around outside Germany) guys like Francois Boganda would be able to just stand up and demand independence for Africans and nobody would bat an eyelid. It's not really about them being in conflict with Nazis but more like white supremacists.

Mittelafrika is actually faring pretty well as Germany puts billions into Industrializing the Country, Africans in Mittelafrika have far higher living standards than in any other African Country and are enjoying the same rights as white people. Far more interestingly it is mentioned several times that germany in fact seeks to either force Mittelafrika into independence or turning it over to Corporate Leaderships as Southeastern China due to the fact that it is a horrible moneysink (but that is the official canon, how you deal with it is your choice.)
Really the only German Colony who is being treated badly is in Southeastern-Asia because it is under Corporate Control.

I see. Mr. Boganda's concerns though are primarily based around things like self-determination, democracy and cultural nationalism; though Germans are pouring funds in and trying to educate people, they are educating them in German without regard to native languages and customs and are forcing children to become German. He also believes that the industrialisation is being forced on the Central African people, and is not compatible with their way of life. I could amend my proposal to become some kind of Khmer/Vietnamese nationalist group, perhaps even alligning ourselves with the radical socialist VDA (sorry for the cliche), that way we could break the majority that the SRP has. I just thought Africa would be fun.

Going from your party program and general ideas i'd suggest you rather join one of the non-imperialist parties instead of forming your own party.

No thank you, I tailored the party program and general ideas specifically so that we would enter a successful coalition. Joining another party was not my goal.

[Bdthemag]

The V.D.A. is very happy to form a coalition with the Social Republicans, especially considering combined we have eleven votes if you add both of ours together. We will continue to work with the S.R.P. and try to implement our military reforms first and foremost, followed by a few more..."moderate" economic reforms.

[Owlbread]

A coalition of three parties; the MNB, VDA and SRP. That would completely blitz this election. Perhaps Mr. Boganda would seek to be appointed as Reichstatthalter of the Free State of Central Africa, in the event of a coalition government that is.

[Digital Hellhound]

Well, while the SRP would be supportive of the MNB's goals, they're not going to be a very high priority for a while.

It is a very single-issue party, Owlbread, and while it could work as a party IRL (wait, can the colonials actually vote?), I doubt it would get many votes in the forum poll.

[Ghazkull]

Again, we are playing German Political Parties in Germany. If you make an African Independence or an Asian Independence or maybe even a Mikronesia Independence Party and it will fulfill this goal you WON'T be in control of that particular Country since it's to much work for me. Of course you can achieve the goal of independence for it but what then? You party is solely based around that single issue right now geared all towards making Mittelafrika independent or Weakening International German Power to allow independence for Afrika. What are you going to do once that is achieved?

Germany never had a White Supremacist Issue. Yes we had the Nazis but apart from them we don't have any of those, since Nazism never gained a large following without a proper figure the only source of racism is gone. And yes he is able to stand up and demand independence because german Colonialism has always been a problem and an issue under discussion since the German Colonies the way they were run were moneysinks. So somebody standing up and saying "Lets grant them independence" would be nothing new and not unheard of.

But anyhow i'd suggest you broaden your goals lest you end up without anything to do after Mid 1936.

[Owlbread]

Well, while the SRP would be supportive of the MNB's goals, they're not going to be a very high priority for a while.

It is a very single-issue party, Owlbread, and while it could work as a party IRL (wait, can the colonials actually vote?), I doubt it would get many votes in the forum poll.

Apparently they can, according to Ghazkull. Even if we don't get many votes I would like to give it a go nevertheless; it's not like I'm out to win this election after all. Would you oppose us entering a coalition with you and the VDA? Our goal is basically to enter a tripartite coalition government between the VDA and the SRP, we would take the fewest government positions/seats.

Again, we are playing German Political Parties in Germany. If you make an African Independence or an Asian Independence or maybe even a Mikronesia Independence Party and it will fulfill this goal you WON'T be in control of that particular Country since it's to much work for me.

I don't want control of a country, relax. Mittelafrika could pop in at another time but they wouldn't be on the scene if they gained independence. It wouldn't really be me controlling anything anyway, it would be up to you if you want to talk about a societal collapse or something and the urgency for intervention. Think of the Central African Confederation as an NPC that nobody (including myself) would have control of, like the Commune of France and so forth.

Of course you can achieve the goal of independence for it but what then? You party is solely based around that single issue right now geared all towards making Mittelafrika independent or Weakening International German Power to allow independence for Afrika. What are you going to do once that is achieved?

Nothing, it would simply change the appearance of the gameworld and perhaps add another election issue for the parties in the future. As I explained a future collapse of that Confederation could lead to a civil war that could spill into German territories and so forth. I give a more in-depth proposal above.

Germany never had a White Supremacist Issue. Yes we had the Nazis but apart from them we don't have any of those, since Nazism never gained a large following without a proper figure the only source of racism is gone. And yes he is able to stand up and demand independence because german Colonialism has always been a problem and an issue under discussion since the German Colonies the way they were run were moneysinks. So somebody standing up and saying "Lets grant them independence" would be nothing new and not unheard of.

Ok, so there's no racists in Germany in 1936 and everyone would be totally fine with a black African standing up in the street asking for independence. I see, that puts a spanner in the works then. Or, indeed, it may not at all; in fact it just justifies our existence.

But anyhow i'd suggest you broaden your goals lest you end up without anything to do after Mid 1936.

After 1936 I'd quite like to form another party within Germany instead.

[Bdthemag]

I don't care about Africa or any German colonial states at the moment, I personally just want to focus on German issues at the moment. You know, considering the entire nation and surrounding nations are in an economic depression at the moment.

[Digital Hellhound]

The SRP isn't focusing on colonial matters in this election either, so it wouldn't really make sense to join with a single-issue party. Perhaps when the topic becomes more relevant, but not now.