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[Bdthemag]

Yeah, I had to prevent myself from laughing when they started talking about leaning as if it was some revolutionary mechanic they added into the game. Not to forget the "MARINE DOG MODELED AFTER AN ACTUAL ARMY DOG, WITH SCARS ON ITS NOSE AND A TATTOO ON ITS EAR."

[Chiefwaffles]

Don't forget the ULTRA GRITTY STORYLINE and HIGH TECH SLIDING MECHANISM!

[itisnotlogical]

I didn't look at the Call of Duty thing because I'm not really interested in the franchise, but it sounds like I'd be surprised if they didn't mention enemies reacting in different ways to being shot in different places. That was big on RE4's packaging, despite having been a thing since at least Goldeneye and probably before.

[Aptus]

"XBox is about to become, then next watercooler."
-Lady who has probably never played a game in her life.

Damn it microsoft, stop confusing me, I thought the XBox was a tv!

[timferius]

You know what. I've been thinking about it, read most of this thread, and deliberating. At first, I was agreeing that Microsoft dropped the ball. Then, I realized, since I upgraded my PC (not a master-race-post-thing, wait for it) a few years ago, I've had a diminishing interest in Consoles, and no interest in ANY of the next Gen. Then it struck me that Microsoft is doing the right thing, and possibly smarter than PS4.

PC gamers are NOT the target demographic, we love our PCs. Console eveloution has changed since 5-10 years ago. There's no more major innovation anymore, just bigger graphics. In the end, all a Console can strive for is to be a higher end PC in your living room, and Steam is edging in on that with the Big Picture thing. There is no real demand there.

What there IS a demand for is exactly what Microsoft is offering. Multimedia. It's targeted at a family that uses their living room. I don't watch cable, barely watch movies, and any I watch are on Netflix (or other). But if I had cable, and my family used our living room as a TV center, and I needed a music center, etc. etc. then this would be perfect, it ties your whole living room together. Blu-ray player? nope, cable box? don't think so. Stereo, no.
Game consoles are for that living room dynamic now.

It occurs to me this may not be as earth-shattering a revelation to some, but I figured it needed to be said. Consoles are not for the dedicated gamer (not that a dedicated gamer couldn't get a lot out of them). There for the gamer who wants to play, and not worry about the hobby side of a PC, about the potential upgrades etc. And hell, I'm sure some people will still own both, but they're buying the console for other things I'm sure than just games.

[pilgrimboy]

Would anyone care to enlighten me as to a single constructive thing that could come from this thread? I've been thinking about it, but coming up with no possibilities.

It could prevent me from wasting my money on the X-Box One.

[jocan2003]

You know what. I've been thinking about it, read most of this thread, and deliberating. At first, I was agreeing that Microsoft dropped the ball. Then, I realized, since I upgraded my PC (not a master-race-post-thing, wait for it) a few years ago, I've had a diminishing interest in Consoles, and no interest in ANY of the next Gen. Then it struck me that Microsoft is doing the right thing, and possibly smarter than PS4.

PC gamers are NOT the target demographic, we love our PCs. Console eveloution has changed since 5-10 years ago. There's no more major innovation anymore, just bigger graphics. In the end, all a Console can strive for is to be a higher end PC in your living room, and Steam is edging in on that with the Big Picture thing. There is no real demand there.

What there IS a demand for is exactly what Microsoft is offering. Multimedia. It's targeted at a family that uses their living room. I don't watch cable, barely watch movies, and any I watch are on Netflix (or other). But if I had cable, and my family used our living room as a TV center, and I needed a music center, etc. etc. then this would be perfect, it ties your whole living room together. Blu-ray player? nope, cable box? don't think so. Stereo, no.
Game consoles are for that living room dynamic now.

It occurs to me this may not be as earth-shattering a revelation to some, but I figured it needed to be said. Consoles are not for the dedicated gamer (not that a dedicated gamer couldn't get a lot out of them). There for the gamer who wants to play, and not worry about the hobby side of a PC, about the potential upgrades etc. And hell, I'm sure some people will still own both, but they're buying the console for other things I'm sure than just games.

The way i decode that is that microsoft is trying to reach the family and try to do a fit-all console to make sure to please dad/mom/kiddo and the neibour next door and as for gaming its for the casual gamer? Thats what i decoded and i totally get it. When seen from this point its more a *what can i cram in the box that might be usefull to somebody* kinda situation for them.

[timferius]

You know what. I've been thinking about it, read most of this thread, and deliberating. At first, I was agreeing that Microsoft dropped the ball. Then, I realized, since I upgraded my PC (not a master-race-post-thing, wait for it) a few years ago, I've had a diminishing interest in Consoles, and no interest in ANY of the next Gen. Then it struck me that Microsoft is doing the right thing, and possibly smarter than PS4.

PC gamers are NOT the target demographic, we love our PCs. Console eveloution has changed since 5-10 years ago. There's no more major innovation anymore, just bigger graphics. In the end, all a Console can strive for is to be a higher end PC in your living room, and Steam is edging in on that with the Big Picture thing. There is no real demand there.

What there IS a demand for is exactly what Microsoft is offering. Multimedia. It's targeted at a family that uses their living room. I don't watch cable, barely watch movies, and any I watch are on Netflix (or other). But if I had cable, and my family used our living room as a TV center, and I needed a music center, etc. etc. then this would be perfect, it ties your whole living room together. Blu-ray player? nope, cable box? don't think so. Stereo, no.
Game consoles are for that living room dynamic now.

It occurs to me this may not be as earth-shattering a revelation to some, but I figured it needed to be said. Consoles are not for the dedicated gamer (not that a dedicated gamer couldn't get a lot out of them). There for the gamer who wants to play, and not worry about the hobby side of a PC, about the potential upgrades etc. And hell, I'm sure some people will still own both, but they're buying the console for other things I'm sure than just games.

The way i decode that is that microsoft is trying to reach the family and try to do a fit-all console to make sure to please dad/mom/kiddo and the neibour next door and as for gaming its for the casual gamer? Thats what i decoded and i totally get it. When seen from this point its more a *what can i cram in the box that might be usefull to somebody* kinda situation for them.

Ya, sorry for the Ramble, that was what I was getting at. They basically want to be your one stop multimedia station, more than a game console. Which is a smart move, since PCs are gaining more and more of a foothold, and becoming more affordable and lasting longer as tech escalation (coining this term) seems to be slowing down.

[jocan2003]

Oh its not ramble at all in my book, its a poor attempt to ask a confirmation if i understood correctly . By now you know im french and sometime i miss some english subtility.

[Bdthemag]

Dear god.

Turns out Microsoft will allow used games to be sold, but only at retailers who agree to follow their terms and conditions. This means that they'd have to use a system that would alert Microsoft's database that you turned in a game, so they can wipe it from your account. Oh, and retailers are expected to get a 10% (Or lower) cut from this, the rest going to Microsoft.

[Knight of Fools]

10% is a huge drop from 100%.

That's ridiculous.

[Kansa]

I could see gamestop and other retailers boycotting the Xbox one if they go through with this

[da_nang]

From Escapist-link:

Update:

There has been a clarification regarding the 10% sales cut issue:

The source revealed that game retailers will be forced to sell second hand games at just a 10% discount on the original RRP. This news will come as a shock to consumers who are currently used to purchasing trade-in games at up to 50% of the retail value.

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[Shadowlord]

This is absurd.

[jocan2003]

I dont do that often but this time i have too... it cringes me not to.... must.... frackk...

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