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[Max White]

ECONOMY. CAPITALISM. CONSUMER RIGHTS. ILLOGICAL! WHHHHYYY?
Excuse me for a second, I am going to need to meditate on the current turn of events and ponder the great fuckery.

[Chiefwaffles]

I seriously doubt Gamestop, or any other major establishment, boycotting Xbox One. I'm not arguing for the 10% thing here, but it only applies to used games, and they can still likely make a profit though. That and the fact that boycotting the Xbox One would probably be a near-corporate suicide, due to how 'big' it is. It isn't *really* illogical, but probably a bit unethical.

That being said, this is just...
sad.

[jocan2003]

You know what i wonder? We all know in the cyberpunk universe corporation rules everything and their is not *gouvernement*. Well i wonder in their backstory if it started like that, slowly stripping suncumer rights with every years....

[Bdthemag]

One of the patents filed by Microsoft two years ago.

Basically, it's visual DRM that determines how many viewers are watching the screen so it can potentially charge extra money if the amount of people viewing exceeds some kind of user-views license.

This doesn't necessarily imply that this is going to happen considering Microsoft files out random patents all of the time, but there are a few more patents similar to it. It's not ridiculous to believe it won't be true though, considering two years ago Microsoft executive Deniss Durkin presented the idea that the kinect could detect various characteristics about how many people are in the room, how are they reacting to a certain product, if they're wearing a football jersey what kind of team is on it, etc. So then it'd be able to provide you advertisements personalized for a single person.

Can people honestly still defend this console anymore? Or is this still more "Xbox One bashing and hate" on my part?

[jocan2003]

Thats proper bashing, you got source, you got everything and that bash was justified.... Im sad to see all that coming... Sure from a corporate stand its a good idea, but for us it kinda get into the *intrude on personal life/information* if you want my opinion and should never happen. The day it will be accepted... will be a very very very sad day indeed...

Edit: I just love this community, you can get news from games you forget about a while, you also get news you would never see anywhere else about stuff *too important* to be shown on TV such as this patent at the same time of grim comedy with lava and still be informtive. Guys im proud and happy to be part of this community.

[MoLAoS]

Anyone buying the Xbone deserves what they get.

[Chiefwaffles]

This has gone back to utter bashing.

Everyone is blowing everything waaaay out of proportion.

[Bdthemag]

So you think it's completely ridiculous that Microsoft would use the device (Which they designed, and just so happens to be perfectly capable of doing all of these things) for those purposes? Also, it's not like I'm pulling this all out of my ass considering I actually have provided sources (Which are from gaming websites, which I admit may or may not be 100% accurate at times) to back up an assumption.

[Chiefwaffles]

I didn't say that this is perfectly 100% okay and should be encouraged, or your sources are invalid. I'm just saying that this is being blown way out of proportion. First, I would like to point out that beforehand, the companies that made the games got no profit in used games sales. This way, they do, without removing the used game market entirely. I love how all of you seem to hate this more than no used games at all.

I would also like to point out that this patented DRM does not mean that Microsoft will immediately put it into every single thing they make. In fact, there's likely no guarantee of them even using it at all.

Anyone buying the Xbone deserves what they get.

But this, is needless bashing.

[Bdthemag]

Yes, the fact that developers don't get a cut of used game sales is bad, but does that mean we remove the right for a consumer to be able to sell something he owns for whatever price he see's fit? Besides, I honestly think the whole industry annoyance at used games isn't entirely from the developers, but from the publishers who aren't seeing the cut they'd normally get from game sales.

[jocan2003]

Yes, the fact that developers don't get a cut of used game sales is bad, but does that mean we remove the right for a consumer to be able to sell something he owns for whatever price he see's fit? Besides, I honestly think the whole industry annoyance at used games isn't entirely from the developers, but from the publishers who aren't seeing the cut they'd normally get from game sales.

Thank you for expressing my mind. Im not really pissed at it just sad of how its going, what really gets me out is the patent, its an outright personal life invasion in my book.

As so far i havent seen anything blowing out of proportion only ppl expression their opinion. As long as it has valid source anything can come here. I dont want anything based on rumors but possible futur is acceptable as long it doesnt turn into personal attacks.

Thank you for venting here

[aristabulus]

Everyone is blowing everything waaaay out of proportion.

I disagree, on the general observation that many technical systems are made to exceed their original design specs, sometimes in ways that no one could've possibly predicted.  The obviously Orwellian stuff MS has in the pipe with Kinect 2.0 should be making everyone shit bricks.

VG-related examples:

--  PS3s being used as nodes in a supercomputer...  by the US Air Force.

--  The Kinect 1.0's homebrew/hackerspace scene.  Some of the mind-boggling stuff those guys have done, holy shit Dave.

--  The Orginaal Vidja Gaem (tm), Spacewar! (1962), utilized a radar display screen as its "monitor", because there was no other option at the time.  A lot of general programming occurred through teletype interfaces or punch-cards in the '60s; the first CRT displays didn't ship until 1969, and didn't become common until the '70s.

...and that's just the tip of the iceberg.  The only negative VG examples that quickly jump to mind are getting into hack & crack territory, which isn't really technically avant-garde, being a standard formula of 2 parts social engineering & 1 part technical trickery.

The broader field of Technology more than makes up for it, though.  For things that will creep you out, news of a PA school using webcams to spy on students off campus back in 2010, and internet predators/trolls using remote controls to nefarious ends.  For stuff that'll keep you up at night, go look at the highlights coming out of DefCon or other black-hat conventions.  (just pick a year at random)

So do you really want to make like a camera/mic combo that must be connected, cannot be disabled, and is always watching/listening (ostensibly for your "convenience") isn't an incredibly slippery slope to start upon?

[Lectorog]

Anyone buying the Xbone deserves what they get.

But this, is needless bashing.

It's fact. You buy a product, you deserve to get that product in its entirety.

I also approve of the console being referred to as Xbone. It's a lovely nickname.

[jocan2003]

Needless bashing even if they deserve it. So please get back on track. Thank you.

[Lectorog]

I clearly said that it is not bashing at all. There is no bashing in saying "you deserve what you purchase".