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[Ozyton]

Nice GIF, hehe.

But seriously, even if you ignore the whole second hand market discussion, what exactly did the XboX One reveal tell us? Sports stuff, the ability to alt-tab, and voice controls are the way of the future, since silly physical inputs like buttons are clearly dumb and have no purpose? From what I can tell the reveal wasn't really aimed at gamers. Who knows, maybe when E3 comes around they will somehow blow us away with something amazing, but as it stands right now I have no desire to get an XB1. Hell, I dodn't really have a desire to get the WiiU or PS4, but assuming that I were to pick one out of the three I would not choose the XB1, at least from what I have heard at this time.

As a multimedia center... yeah, I suppose it can do that, but PCs could already do that a long time ago. The point I'm trying to make is: why should we care about the XB1?
I suppose da_nang posted a list of features and stuff so I suppose I'll do my own little run-down of what I think about them.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

My feature thoughts:

• Skype Integration
  I don't really use Skype, in fact it seems to lack a bunch of the features I liked about IM's I used to use in the past, and it likes to glitch out on me a lot. Still, it seems to be the major IM service nowadays, so I guess it kinda makes sense to have it... but I also thoguht XboX already had their own little messaging service? I dunno. Also Skype does phone calls or something, but I never payed attention to that, perhaps that's a major feature I'm overlooking because I don't make phone calls.
  
• Live television
  Television. *YAAAAAAAAWWWWNNNN*
  
• Kinect Sensor (1080p field of view, can detect your heartbeat)
  I want to see something besides dancing games come from Kinect, and maybe they already have but I just don't keep up with current events...? My main gripe is them trying to pass it off as some kind of voice activated and gesture based remote control for your TV or console or whatever. Is it really that difficult to push buttons on a controller? I know that at one point in the conference they called watching TV 'challenging' and though it might not have been in context with this it still makes me sigh.
  
• Cloud Sync
  Sounds good to me, I bet you need to have an Xbox Live account to have access to it... though I suppose maybe that's fine, paying to have them provide a service like that... but it's already free on my PC so... what?
  
• Snap Mode integration allowing for separate programs on your screen, Skype, a game, a movie, TV, etc.
  Picture-in-picture, alt-tab. Next item
  
• Fantasy sports integration with use of Snap Mode.
  Useful for people who don't have a phone, and as far as I know just about anyone who can afford consoles like these probably has a somewhat modern phone. Hell, I have an Android phone despite only having gotten one recently... I never use it.. but I have one.
  
• 500 Gb HDD Blu-Ray Drive
  I havne't really used much space on my PS3's hard drive, but that was without having to have full game installations from a blu-ray disk (with some partial exceptions). I wonder how fast a 500Gb drive will fill up if you're able to have a pretty large library of XB1 games? I know people like the whole 'oh I'll just put the disk in the drive and play' thing that consoles have going for them today, but personally I like being able to have something on my hard drive so I don't have to go searching around for a disk, or even worrying about losing a disk or having it be damaged in some way. I think the only time I used the disk drive currently in my computer was when I was installing the OS.
  
• 8 Core CPU
  Sounds good to me. Don't know any games that need it right now, but perhaps future games will take advantage of numerous cores with AI calculations or other processor intensive things.
  
• 8 Gb System
  Fair enough. As far as I know you don't need huge excessive amounts of RAM unless you're into video editing or 3D modelling and stuff like that. Did someone say that 3gb is dedicated to the OS? Right now about 2.5 GB of my 8GB of RAM are being used as I type this post with Steam open, not sure when I'm running a game, but at least for now this seems pretty much fine to me.
  
• More than 300000 servers for Xbox Live (What was once 300)
  Why? Cloud? I don't get it. Online activation stuff? Doubt it. *shrug*
  
• SmartGlass Integration
  So it kinda uses your phone similar to how the WiiU uses the WiiPad thingy to integrate your phone with your XboX. Fair enough, could be neat, would be neaterer if there were gameplay implications that come with this somehow, and maybe a smart move on MS's part to try to say 'hey we can do touchscreen stuff too.' More likely it'll just be a remote control, rendering your Kinect voice commands and gestures even more useless. *headscratching*
  
• Game DVR allowing for recording, editing, and sharing footage.
  From my understanding it's similar to the share button that Sony was trying to hype us up about. if you're the kind of person that likes to share stuff on the efbees and tweeters then sure. (By the way, doesn't that mean there's no more 'select' button on the new Dualshock controller? Guess people didn't see much use in it, though it was nice to have.)
  
• Online matchmaking while playing a different game or watching a movie.
  Soooooooooooo.... in case matchmaking is taking 5 hours and you want to go watch a movie or play something completely different from what you wanted to play while waiting for a godawfully long queue? Other than that what porpoise is there? If a queue is that long people are more likely to use their phones or something to pass the time if they really wanna kill some time waiting for something, at least that's my understanding of some 'toilet break' mobile games.
  
• Running on Xbox Kernel
  Surprise?
  
• Plans for more than 15 games in development at Microsoft Game Studios to release in the first year of Xbox One, eight of which are brand new franchises.
  That's cool. Sssssssssssssooo..... what are they? Really, what are they? MS you have to give us something to go off of here. You can't say "Oh we've got something really cool that you're gonna shit your pants over and it's really exciting but we're not telling you haha fuck you guys." The only raisins I see them postponing telling us anything about those titles is because they wanted to reveal them at E3, which brings up the point I've heard some people say, "then why not wait for E3?" Well, in my eyes, this wasn't a video games console reveal, more of a media center reveal. Maybe at E3 we'll get a "proper" reveal including all those games and IP's and it'll be awesome. We'll have to wait and see.
  
• "Xbox One launching around the world "later this year"
  Surprise?
  
• Only having to use a disc once in your Xbox One for it to install, then you won't have to put it in to play ever again. If you try to use it in another Xbox One, it'll require a fee.
  I like being able to install games on my PC and playing them without fetching the disc each time, I believe I've already mentioned this. The whole second-hand market thing has been... fairly squashed as just a false rumor, but it still seems a bit odd to me and not all the details seem to be available yet, so... again, we'll have to see what they have for us.
  
• Not backwards compatibility with Xbox 360.
  Not particularly surprised, I don't know how much effort goes into making things backwards-compatible but it might end up jacking the price of the system for things that not everyone may want. It would be cool to be able to plug something into your newbox (Shoebox? harr harr.) that makes it backwards compatible, but I don't know if that would be feasible either.
  
• Doesn't require internet connection (as rumors thought)
  I have a stable internet connection so this doesn't affect me, however there's the whole 'not everybody lives in fiber optics internet land' plus the server-side of things, so... having to log in every 24 hours could be a problem for... quite a few people. It doesn't seem as bad as the always-on aspect but it's still a thing that's there and could be detrimental for those not in fiber-optics land (I.E. a lot of people.). Plus, what aboot bandwidth? Again it doesn't affect me, but there's people who have to deal with only being able to download X-amount of data every month. It would suck having to download a bunch of updates and then lololololol we can't authenticate you because you are not having any more internet this month. I don't know how that all works though because I've never experienced it.

Also, yes it's been posted, but I'm going to post it again here because it basically sums up what I feel about the reveal. To put it into perspective I enjoy playing games, not so much watching television. Funnily enough, I actually enjoy watching people play games, which is why I like LP's and stuff, but television? *Yaaaawn* I just likes games, I dunno, just the way I am. For those that skipped the spoiler tag I mentioned this reveal wasn't a gaming console reveal, but a media center reveal. It is entirely possible for a 'real' reveal at E3, where the target audience is gamers and we won't feel so neglected. We'll see.

Also... Call of Duty: Ghosts? Sure, could be cool, but it's not an XboX One exclusive so there's no reason to get hyped about the console because of that game. As a side note, I find it funny how they think LOD and higher polygon count is a new and innovative thing.

[freeformschooler]

One of the things that peripherally peeves me about the Xbox One is that it'll be even harder to talk about the original Xbox, since most people associate "Xbox" with the 360 nowadays. There's probably going to be an Original Xbox next gen, so we're going to have to call it the Xbox, No Not That One, The One That Came Before 360.

XBone.

What if Microsoft's intention was for the the new Xbox to be nicknamed "The One" by gaming communities? Genius marketing.

[Chiefwaffles]

It's likely because Microsoft always seem to have nonexistent creativity.

[jocan2003]

After a few message received i will start to monitor this thread closely, if you hate the console fine, if you like it fine, but no personal bashing or attitude such as *This sucks, i am PC*. If you want to bash the console give a reason or bring something not said before, bring in source, valid source. Let's show we can bash in a civil manner.

For each bash, bring something conclusive that support your bash. I.E.: Microsoft doesnt have creativity. *You forgot to include a reason*.

Thank you and happy ORGANISED/CIVIL/Blehyouunderstandme bashing!

[Lectorog]

Would anyone care to enlighten me as to a single constructive thing that could come from this thread? I've been thinking about it, but coming up with no possibilities.

[jocan2003]

Would anyone care to enlighten me as to a single constructive thing that could come from this thread? I've been thinking about it, but coming up with no possibilities.

Constructive? I dont think any, but better have ppl venting here than on a legit thread talking about the console pros and cons. But if ppl wants to vent, they should vent in a civilised manner, if i see this thread going anywhere it is not supposed to i will be locking it.

[Bdthemag]

Microsoft apparently wants to keep its policy regarding indie games.

Seems pretty odd that they're deciding to stick with this, considering Nintendo and Sony are trying to make things marginally easier for indie developers to get their work out there.

[jocan2003]

Microsoft apparently wants to keep its policy regarding indie games.

Seems pretty odd that they're deciding to stick with this, considering Nintendo and Sony are trying to make things marginally easier for indie developers to get their work out there.

Exactly the kind of bashing i want to see, thank you, and as for the annoncement... let's just say im not surprised with it hehe.

[Chiefwaffles]

Last time I checked, they had a system, where you could pay $100 a year for access to a system that allowed you to put your game up for review by other subscribers, and if it was high enough, it'd be put in the "Indie Games" section?

Or they removed it. Shame. Microsoft still has time to fix all the blunders they've made, too. personally, I think one of their biggest mistakes was to focus so little on gaming in the announcement. I mean, sure, I really like the TV features and such, but it is a console, and even though it still is dedicated(ish) to games, they didn't seem to even try to show that. I guess they just wanted to show their brand new features.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Well so far I'm not all that fussed about it. I mean they fixed up the D-Pad so it shouldn't be as crap, there's now the whole rumble thing in the triggers which sounds okay. Not sure if I like the sticks being slimmed down but apparently they now take a little less force to move so that might be interesting. It still won't beat the original Xbox which was perfectly sized for my massive deformed hands and those extra black and white buttons I miss.

EDIT: Hold up ... the Xbox is some kind of external device you play games on and not just the controller I've been plugging into my PC for the past 5 years? What a bizarre concept.

[Bdthemag]

The one thing I actually don't mind about the new console is the controller. I've never been a super big fan of their controllers (I've always preferred the layout of the playstation controllers myself), but I'm a sucker for good analog sticks. I mean, at least it doesn't have a big fucking screen in the middle of it.

[Shadowlord]

After a few message received i will start to monitor this thread closely, if you hate the console fine, if you like it fine, but no personal bashing or attitude such as *This sucks, i am PC*.

Microsoft basically has taken away the only reasons I bought and played games on the 360:

• Not having to waste 5-20 GB of space on a hard drive for every game. Now they all have to be installed. If they're going to do that, why, I might as well just buy a multi-terabyte hard drive instead of wasting money on a new console.
• Not having onerous DRM, aside from requiring the game CD in to play. With the XBone it's restricted to your account, and to get it on another you have to pay a fee, reportedly. Of course, with steam you can't even transfer games from your account (yet) - but at least installing a game via steam is painless if you have enough free HD space. Apparently you still need a disc to install a game for XBone.
• Taking a game over to a friend's house. Now apparently you will have to wait for it to install before you can play it. At least it sounds like as long as you're logged in and you run it, it won't need relicensing to another account.

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352314/xbox-one-hard-drive-game-installs

I'm a bit conflicted because some of my problems with XBone are similar to ones with Steam, but I like Steam. For instance, you can only have Steam games on one account, can't sell back Steam games, Steam acts like a DRM of sorts (but it doesn't install itself like a rootkit or anything, and those are the ones I really hate) - and of course, the main reason I was getting and playing 360 games instead of steam ones for a while, the hard drive space used for installed games.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

The one thing I actually don't mind about the new console is the controller. I've never been a super big fan of their controllers (I've always preferred the layout of the playstation controllers myself), but I'm a sucker for good analog sticks. I mean, at least it doesn't have a big fucking screen in the middle of it.

Going on a slight tangent, I was never all that fond of the playstation controls. I've always just found them a little cramped and uncomfortable compared to to the xbox controllers.
So far the controllers I've enjoyed the most have been the original xbox controller and the gamecube controller. The original xbox controller like I've already stated was just massive and it fit well into my hand. The gamecube controller gets a mention because of the triggers that were just a joy to use and it was all together rather well designed. They both weren't flawless however, was never a fan of the c-stick on the gamecube for example.

I think Nintendo still has the track record for the most crappy controllers which they seem intent on following and forgetting everything people liked about the gamecube controller. Wii, WiiU and (going back a few years now) the N64 ... no thank you. Why having a massive stone tablet frankensteined into a controller is considered innovation I'll never know. 

[Bdthemag]

I mean, at least it doesn't have a big fucking screen in the middle of it.

Actually, the Wii U controller isn't that bad. Your hands actually fit around the edges rather well, and you have easy access to the stylus with your right hand, which can reach to all parts of the touchscreen while still being able to utilize the left analog stick. You get used to the constant look-down look-up et cetera, but it's like any new controller or game with a foreign control scheme- it takes a bit of time to adjust.

I wasn't exactly talking about the WiiU, mainly the PS4. The WiiU feels as if the controller was designed around the whole screen idea, but to me the PS4 controller looks like Sony just randomly decided to throw the screen on there.

The one thing I actually don't mind about the new console is the controller. I've never been a super big fan of their controllers (I've always preferred the layout of the playstation controllers myself), but I'm a sucker for good analog sticks. I mean, at least it doesn't have a big fucking screen in the middle of it.

Going on a slight tangent, I was never all that fond of the playstation controls. I've always just found them a little cramped and uncomfortable compared to to the xbox controllers.
So far the controllers I've enjoyed the most have been the original xbox controller and the gamecube controller. The original xbox controller like I've already stated was just massive and it fit well into my hand. The gamecube controller gets a mention because of the triggers that were just a joy to use and it was all together rather well designed. They both weren't flawless however, was never a fan of the c-stick on the gamecube for example.

I think Nintendo still has the track record for the most crappy controllers which they seem intent on following and forgetting everything people liked about the gamecube controller. Wii, WiiU and (going back a few years now) the N64 ... no thank you. Why having a massive stone tablet frankensteined into a controller is considered innovation I'll never know. 

To me, the Xbox controller has always felt rather big. The trigger and bumpers (Or whatever they're called) above them feel rather too far apart for my taste. The playstation controllers have always felt more responsive and tactile, in a way. Either way, I'm really just nitpicking about my preference.

[Ozyton]

One thing I will say is that I like the idea of having concave triggers as opposed to convex ones. Usually when i'm using the triggers my finger is at the very tip of them to get the most leverage out of them, and on a PS3 controller sometimes my finger would slip off, and while the same would probably happen on the 360 controller it would be fixed if they had the rubbery textured grip of the PS controllers.

Not entirely sure about concave thumbsticks though, it seems like a decent idea in theory but I've never tried them out before so I dunno. Perhaps having your thumb cupped inside of them will be better, but I haven't had too much trouble with the rubbery textured stuff on the PS controllers despite them being convex.

As for the buttons themselves I'm mostly familiar with the PS layout, but playing with my logitech controller has helped me learn the Xbox buttons. The color coding on the Xbox buttons is also more vibrant, so people can associate the X button with blue a bit better than they can on the PS controller. (EDIT: I have no real opinions on the actual feel of button presses, not sure if more clicky or more smooth presses make sense especially when you consider analog/pressure sensitive buttons)

I remember the original Xbox controller having two extra buttons, a white and black one, and it reminded me how the Genesis controllers had 6 face buttons, and how the Nintendo 64 had 6 face buttons (A, B, C buttons). It seems like having more buttons would be better, right? Oh well, guess that's one thing I like a bit better than consoles, but that's speaking as someone who plays simulation games and such that require lots of buttons and modifier keys.

On a side note: the new Call of Duty games will allow your character you lean, how innovative. Now I want to see them do it like Rainbow Six with analogue leaning.