Asking about your case makes people think about the validity of your case and the comparative scummyness of the person accused. Forcing them do defend their own position makes them more defensive, less open, and focused on themselves. Instead of explaining points about your case, they'd explain their own choices. They'd explain that they were voting someone else scummy, or have been too busy to make an informed decision. They wouldn't necessarily talk about your case at all.
That would be fine too.
Ah. That's where our disagreement is. You see yourself giving advice by trying to win the game, kind of acting like an example, where I see you as trying to win the game while ignoring your responsibilities as an IC. Is my analysis correct? In the meantime, I'll get used to a different style of IC.
Sortof, I guess? I don't think it's really possible to a (uncomfirmed alignment) player in a game of mafia and also to give detached advice, so if I see something that needs correcting I'll attack it as a player rather than pretending to be impartial.
1. Yeah, I should be doing that, but I really don't have the time. The indefinite extension is really convenient for me, actually. I'll pressure people when I have more time. You are now reading town to me, actually, if only because I agree with your scumpicks and reasonings.
2. Yes, if I had to pick a scumteam it would be Vector and Dem. You bring up a really good point there, and in my reads post I go into a bit more detail on his jumping on Griffion.
When will you have more time?
So the fact that he had been off the forum for almost three days meant nothing?
Not really, no. They may have just not bothered to log in during the night and then had a weekend away from home.
You hadn't read the game when you made your cases:
Not re-read, just read. You never comment on what your read indicated, and whether it improved your confidence in your reads, you just were like: "Yep we're good here, lynch these two now."
It was a long thread, so I focused on the most interesting and relevant part of it to start with (cops claiming is gonna cause mafia members (who know it's the real cop) to react differently to townies (who don't), which helps distinguish them). I feel the cases derived from that part were strong.
I don't think any of the rest of the thread does anything to go against a Vector/Dem scumteam - I think the way Vector completely failed to engage Dem, while doing so with basically every other player, throughout almost the entirety of day 1 is pretty telling too.
My suspicion of you has not (as far as I'm aware) changed my read on anyone else. As for who you are scum with, it could very well be anyone except Vector; as I doubt Tiruin would allow but the ICs to be scum. So yeah actually my suspicion of you has lessened my suspicion of Vector; however I consider both of you of interest.
Your reasoning regarding ICs is incorrect. A moderator will always assign roles to players completely randomly unless otherwise stated in the OP - thus both ICs being scum is no less likely than any other random pair of players being scum. I'm pretty sure there was a BM where both ICs were scum, in fact.
I invite you again to consider who your secondary suspect is, considering the interactions of players rather than trying to outguess the moderator.
I wanted to see whether Shinigami was deliberately buddying Ford of if that was non-intentional.
I understand what you mean, but I don't think it would fit the normal definition of buddying (which would be a mafia member trying to ingratiate themselves with a townie, rather than a mafia member simply giving an overly soft analysis of someone's play).
The fact that it came completely out of left field and was his ONLY response. He nobody was shifting off of him, however only Birdy was really pressing him at the moment. As he claimed rather than address birdy's pressure, I felt he was way over reacting about the cases on him.
Not rather than; I felt his over-reaction was scummy enough to warrant a lynch of him; however, as plenty of other people were focused on him I decided to focus on Demdemeh and see what I could dig up.
Makes sense.
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