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[Eric Blank]

Consent is a big thing for me, to the extent that i no longer use the internet for porn because it's inevitably too close to prostitution. One of my biggest points of fucking anger, is how we treat the other intelligent, and otherwise, species on this planet. There used to be more then one kind of human. I find furries fairly harmless, but the lack of consent, as well as the fact that there can be no such thing as an anthromorphic animal, are severe sticking points. Even if they match our level of sapience, it will not be in the same way, and i refuse to make objects of desire into something they're not. On the other hand, i have more problems with BDSM, so take what you will from that.

I think the idea with anthros is that, although not human they are every bit as capable of forming and communicating a concept as the average human, so I don't think consent is an issue for most furries as they would assume that, were these sorts of anthropomorphic creatures real, there will probably be some that are completely happy to have sex with humans. It's different from bestiality in that respect, where you'd be talking about mundane, incompetent and uncommunicative animals who couldn't give their consent for any particular interaction.

[Scoops Novel]

I think the idea with anthros is that, although not human they are every bit as capable of forming and communicating a concept as the average human, so I don't think consent is an issue for most furries as they would assume that, were these sorts of anthropomorphic creatures real, there will probably be some that are completely happy to have sex with humans. It's different from bestiality in that respect, where you'd be talking about mundane, incompetent and uncommunicative animals who couldn't give their consent for any particular interaction.

I'd rather said anthros weren't based on animals incapable of saying yes or no. I suppose even if you were to go for the alien route, it's fairly unavoidable it will be based on the forms of life known to us, but at least it's less direct. Given that the appeal seems to be indicated in the nickname to be tied to the animal connotations, i find it a weak argument.

[Cthulhu]

I like RPing stuff like kobolds in D&D and such, and I'd like to try a mind flayer but they're so shitty as PCs (Anything with a very high LA does terribly in D&D as a player.  A mind flayer is going into a level 10 or something party with color spray and magic missile and shit), really getting into the more alien thought processes and behaviors.  I guess I'd be with GlyphGryph on that kind of thing, I like the idea of D&Ding as a character who's fundamentally inhuman and doesn't act or think in human ways.  I'm not a furry and I'm not into that fandom in really any way except casual tolerance.

If we're on that subject (thanks Solifuge), I'm not sure what objective ground there is against sex with a fully cognizant and sapient being.  If it's capable of consenting to sex and having a real understanding of what consent entails (currently adult humans are the only known lifeforms that qualify, anything else is abusive and go to jail), then I don't see a problem.  Unless we count the totally valid but subjective "that shit nasty dude" angle, consent is the key.

This is an uncomfortable and gross topic, but it's something mankind should at least consider.  If not for us, do it for the Kirks of the future.

[Leafsnail]

To be honest I doubt the sexual compatibility between totally alien species is going to be very high anyway.  They could mate via lovedarts, or not at all.

[Scoops Novel]

There's no grounds against one, outside safe sane and consensual. It's irrelevant, for the reasons I've given. I suppose a good question would be defining the allure. It is the forbiddenness, the strangeness, the wildness, etc.

[Frumple]

To be honest I doubt the sexual compatibility between totally alien species is going to be very high anyway.  They could mate via lovedarts, or not at all.

Humankind would find a way, leaf. You know how our species is when it comes to that kind of thing. We're kinda' like dragons, except we can't actually interbreed with other species. Or objects.

I suppose a good question would be defining the allure. It is the forbiddenness, the strangeness, the wildness, etc.

Is it?

[Vector]

Hm... as for Soli's question.

For the anthropomorphization, I don't like 4, 6, 7, or 8.  Like, aesthetically.  The one in the middle that's mostly human with animal-like makeup/whiskers and ears/whatever would be okay other than the animal nose still being there, which I usually feel is a bad aesthetic choice.  Snout or no snout, pick one.

For sexiness, don't like E.  It doesn't squick me, but I don't like it.

Not fond of half-fursuit onwards.  I'm really not fond of the whole cartoony thing, and if they were covered in rabbit pelts I'd probably feel very different about it.


For me, a lot of it is a mismatch between the amount of assumed physical animal traits and the human/animal characteristics of the character.  In the uncanny valley zone, I want these to match.  But they don't.  I'm also not happy about fur + different-colored flowing hair, which just seems weird to me.  I don't have problems with any of the sexy drawings (though they pretty much don't turn me on) because that's under the sexy drawing clause.  However, E's pose is one I have never found attractive, especially the visible thong.

Eh?

[alway]

To be honest I doubt the sexual compatibility between totally alien species is going to be very high anyway.  They could mate via lovedarts, or not at all.

Considering the likelihood of spacefaring races having access to highly advanced genetic/biological alteration, I would say it's actually very likely you could make something work. They would likely already have some form of 2-organism mating in their culture, simply because of evolutionary pushes. More than 2 is unlikely, as it makes things too complicated and is unlikely to be a viable trait, as it has no benefits over simple pair-mating. Simple asexual reproduction is also unlikely for a large, long-lived organism with a small offspring count, due to both mutation and slow genetic transfer; it only works in small simple organisms because a single parent can reproduce into a full population within a short period of time. The usefulness of evolutionary recombination through pair-mating compared to the alternatives means most alien intelligences we encounter would at least have a history of natural pair-mating at some point in the past. Though it's also likely that offspring would have turned into an entirely separate activity from that through perfected artificial reproduction.

Or in short, yes, intelligent aliens would likely be capable of understanding the basics of human sex, as well as having the means to participate if they really wanted to.

That is, of course, assuming they exist as single organisms, rather than the equivalent of a sentient ant-hill. In which case sex is about the least interesting of the discussion topics.

[Scoops Novel]

To be honest I doubt the sexual compatibility between totally alien species is going to be very high anyway.  They could mate via lovedarts, or not at all.

Humankind would find a way, leaf. You know how our species is when it comes to that kind of thing. We're kinda' like dragons, except we can't actually interbreed with other species. Or objects.

I suppose a good question would be defining the allure. It is the forbiddenness, the strangeness, the wildness, etc.

Is it?

There can't be a universal rule, but it not entirely impossible for there to be common elements.

[Scoops Novel]

To be honest I doubt the sexual compatibility between totally alien species is going to be very high anyway.  They could mate via lovedarts, or not at all.

Humankind would find a way, leaf. You know how our species is when it comes to that kind of thing. We're kinda' like dragons, except we can't actually interbreed with other species. Or objects.

I suppose a good question would be defining the allure. It is the forbiddenness, the strangeness, the wildness, etc.

Is it?

There can't be a universal rule, but it's not entirely impossible for there to be common elements. Aside from that, defining what the turn-on's are, aside from giving me a better understanding, could help me understand why my objections are seen as irrelevant.

[10ebbor10]

Actually, having more than one gender has a signicant benefit for species that are more spread out. After all, if you have 14.000 different genders, and you finally meet someone else, chances are very small that they're the same gender as you. And the multigender only gets complicated depending on the genderdifferences. It might purely be a Dna thing, after all.


Sadly, those species are unlikely to develop a civilization.

_{Mainly because they are fungi}

[Moghjubar]

(Carefully touches thread with 10-ft pole)

Surprised http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Avner  hasn't been mentioned yet.

[10ebbor10]

Think we managed to found the uncanny vally. Thing goes deep down enough to reach the core.

[Vector]

He doesn't really bother me either, actually.  Piercings in general bother me.  The rest somehow doesn't bother me.  I might not want to touch his face, but I don't want to touch most folks' faces.

[Tuck_Lion]

My first thread is less than 24 hours old and it's already self-sustaining. i'm awesome