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[kahn1234]

Why dont you go tell the Germans their 88mm was crappy?

Do you see a difference between 88m and 200mm ?

Why dont you go tell modern tank commanders they should only take AT shells as the only thing tanks should fight is other tanks

Tank gun is not multipurpose gun, it's a tank gun. And 97mm is an overkill, small steps guys, small steps. No army started with heavy tanks

Hell, the British Commonwealth and Empire troops used the QE 3.7inch AA gun so much there were thousands made. if only they had thought of using thema s AT guns they could have held North Africa whilst aiding Greece, instead of getting pushed back to El Alamain and having to take Libya a second time.

That's why I proposed 40mm LUP we now have, 97mm is a different story altogether, That's a very heavy thing.

a tank gun is multipurpose. it can be used to attack infantry and fortifications with HE shells and armoured targets with a variety of shells.

Multipurpose is the way to go. 94mm is by no notion too much. Hell, if we built them we could use them on the coast as anti-small ship guns and as AT emplacements during amphibious assaults. Plus ones further back as AA emplacements.

there is no downside.

and as for 88mm or 94mm vs 200mm, the 200mm cannon would fire much slower and need a larger crew.

If we designed our 94mm gun properly, we could make up for lost shell size.

[tryrar]

Sure, Jet planes are superior to helos (not in all roles), turboprop biplanes? Not quite.
And helos have more uses... They offer very nice mobility, easier to use on ships and have utility value

Scelly, I like your gun, but forget "against tank part", Gun you are quoting is a heavy howitzer, they almost never  used against tanks.  ( howitzer and gun are quite different, howitzer is for ballistic fire , gun is for direct fire) Besides we have that 200mm gun for direct fire.

Will make my own design based on yours

Tryrar, we have no torpedoes, need to design some, first

Same post at the FAC

[Scelly9]

Scelly, I like your gun, but forget "against tank part", Gun you are quoting is a heavy howitzer, they almost never  used against tanks.  ( howitzer and gun are quite different, howitzer is for ballistic fire , gun is for direct fire) Besides we have that 200mm gun for direct fire.

Wouldn't high-angle fire against a platoon of tanks be quite effective?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

a tank gun is multipurpose. it can be used to attack infantry and fortifications with HE shells and armoured targets with a variety of shells.

And yet it isn't a howitzer or AA gun
Yep, German 88mm tank gun was a Flak gun first, then adopted to tanks but still it isn't howitzer and it was modified here and there

97mm is larger than any serial tank had in WW2 in real life, let's not aim too high, we need experience first.

And heavy tanks\guns\whatever have downsides - they are heavy. Bigger doesn't  mean better in all situations.

Wouldn't high-angle fire against a platoon of tanks be quite effective?

If it will hit on lightly armored top, yes, but that's not happens very often

[Brood]

I'm good with the 97mm, if it works it'll be great, if not we can just down size.

[Scelly9]

Hmmm, how are tanks against fire in this era? Napalm bombs/shells may be worth creating.

[kahn1234]

why do people keep saying 97mm? its a 94mm AT/AA gun. not that much bigger than an 88mm.

[tryrar]

a tank gun is multipurpose. it can be used to attack infantry and fortifications with HE shells and armoured targets with a variety of shells.

And yet it isn't a howitzer or AA gun
Yep, German 88mm tank gun was a Flak gun first, then adopted to tanks but still it isn't howitzer and it was modified here and there

97mm is larger than any serial tank had in WW2 in real life, let's not aim too high, we need experience first.

And heavy tanks\guns\whatever have downsides - they are heavy. Bigger doesn't  mean better in all situations.

Wouldn't high-angle fire against a platoon of tanks be quite effective?

If it will hit on lightly armored top, yes, but that's not happens very often

What UR means is that hitting a moving target(i.e. a tank) with indirect fire from an artillery battery is actually pretty difficult. You'll get the lucky hit here and there, but there was a reason dedicated anti-tank guns were mainly direct-fire with limited elevation arcs. The 88mm FlaK we are talking about actually only had LIMITED anti-tank ability, as it was designed for mainly anti-air duties. Germany later modified it for anti-tank and tank cannon roles by creating a separate gun(still functionally identical to the 88mm AA gun, just different mountings really)

[Brood]

Not very, it'll force the crew out eventually yes but there much more effective against infantry.

My bad, I'd have gone for 100-112mm myself, as long as your going bigger may as well go big big.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Guys! Go with a 420mm emplaced/battleship cannon! Compromise between the 500 & the 380, and it's a bigger number than IOWA class mains! That means we'd be better!

Down on airships, only useful as makeshift AA, (woo guide cables).
Down on helis, too fragile, too expensive, too advanced, too hard to control, role is superfluous- (ground support).

94 sounds like a good addition, though not exactly a neccessary one yet. Put it down for development later? (not going to face anything that'd need it, perhaps troop landers but that's it)

[Brood]

Better soon then later, but I suggest we get a lot of AIA and heavy infantry weapons out.

If we're gonna face a naval invasion we need the weapon to pin them on the beaches and sink the transports when they are landing the men.

[tryrar]

The best way to keep a beachhead from happening? Repel the invasion fleet. Which is why my torpedoes+FACs are a good idea, since the 40mm deck gun is good against shallow draft boats, while the torps will be effective at any escorts the landers have

[Brood]

But require a long time to prepare, we can't use them in this fight so we use what we've got.
Our fleet is out matched though I'm designing 2 new ships at the moment.
So we have to repel them on land, let them spread out and we lose our advantage so our best chance is a focussed HMG and AIA defensive line on high ground overlooking the beaches, trenches full of LMG across exits from the beaches with infantry support.

Bombard them non stop with multiple fields of fire from all sides and multiple heights, they can get onto our beach but they don't get back off.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

My turn proposal
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Tank:
+6 to boost to 63k/ph
+10 for fast-turning turret
+12 for offroad
+15 for a diesel engine

Build 150 TP-1s and 25 LUP-40s

Build a protoype of gunship designed earlier?
_______________________
Design #1
Name: LBA-280
Number Of Engineers: 10
What It Is: A land based immovable large howitzer firing 280 mm rounds for defense of large cities and forts against advancing forces, and naval (if situated near coast) threats.

Weight: 87,360 lb (39,625.8 kg)
Length:  12.735 m (41 ft 9 in)
Barrel length: 12.006 (39 ft 5 in) L/50
Crew: 15? (guessing here.)
Shell:   650 lb (294.8 kg)
Calibre: 11 inches (280 mm)
Carriage: Static only
Elevation: -10 to +80
Traverse: 360
Rate of fire: 2 rpm
Muzzle velocity: 2860 ft/s (865 m/s)
Range: No bloody idea how to estimate this.
(may change caliber to 380mm or 420mm should that receive more support)

Pigeon
What is it: Light scout helicopter, with pilot and enough space to carry 150 kg cargo, or one gunner with TP-1 machinegun, should use mix of wood and light alloys for the hull.
8 novice engineers and metallurgist

TX-1
What is it: Basic level torpedo
1 novice engineer  (we'll use more engineers to create more advanced, later.)

My last attempt to put the helicopter through, that's ahistorical but viable. Helicopters are great for navy, transportation, tank hunting and not defenseless against biplanes. First one is far from impressive, but should it be successful, we may design something heavier later

The best way to keep a beachhead from happening? Repel the invasion fleet. Which is why my torpedoes+FACs are a good idea, since the 40mm deck gun is good against shallow draft boats, while the torps will be effective at any escorts the landers have

We have no time for that and coastal batteries are scarier for invaders then torpedo boats.

Forget about designing anything for that war, it is started already, in no way we can stop the landings, should meet them on land with our machine-guns and guns, should be enough, IMO

And one more thing - we are designers, military will decide how to use weapons we give to them

[Scelly9]

+1 to that proposal.