Lenglon: Are you basing your scumhunting method on that of any other player (not necessarily in this game)? If so, who and why?
Also, do you have any other evidence on anyone other than accusations of not hunting and lurking?
My scumhunting technique is mostly my own, although I have paid the most attention to Tiruin's posts. Wondering what was keeping Tiruin busy and away from ER is how i ended up on the mafia board in the first place,and why I've paid her posts the most attention.
I have a large amount of WIFOM fuel i'm digging through, but i dont really want to present it until I can form it into something coherent that cannot be dismissed with a simple "that's what scum wants you to think" I would like to avoid muddying the waters and keep it to myself. as for other evidence than simple lack of action? well, there's the noobtell and bandwagoning issue I'm detailing out below.
Deathsword: what are your current scum reads and why?
I have to reread, but as it stands now you are null (your predecessor vanished and you just replaced),
Riiiight, but what are your reads on everyone else? I understand why you wouldn't have a read on me, new person and all, but I want to know what you think of borno, and especially shinigami.
what is your opinion on borno specifically? why have you let him off so easily for mistaking noobtells for scumtells?
Could you provide an example where I did what you accuse me of in the bolded part?
the case on swordsmith was based mostly on noobtells in my eyes. Yes, he was playing badly, but it's a common normal mistake to make as a new player. being defensive is a common new player mistake. The really odd part about it that bothered me was that you didn't give him the same forgiveness you showed Ranger. Ranger gave away that he was scum by not attacking, and failing to keep promises. your reaction to this was to pressure vote him (which was deserved) but rather than present a case on him you merely said:
Then why aren't you asking him questions?
Looking at your Day2 posts, I do not see where you formed a proper case on Ranger. in fact the only thing you said about him, at all, was that quote up there. the entire rest of your Day2 posts were answering questions and
Nerjin and Borno: Reads, yes?
that's it. that is not scumhunting, that's not presenting a case, that is doing the obvious thing. in fact all you did was avoid giving out a massive scumtell by not voting for obvious lying scum.
that discrepancy is a double-standard. you were being nice to your scumbuddy, and giving him a chance to redeem himself. you pretty much directly told him what he needed to be doing, and his failure to do it forced you to bus him.
now then, on day3, did you scumhunt? nope. look at the timestamps on your day3 posts. you didn't say ANYTHING until after the swordsmith had given up and walked away. you didn't follow through on your accusation to borno, you didn't question shinigami, you've done almost nothing the entire game.
Ranger
Okami + SwordSmith: I'm going to continue to investigate Borno and see if i can find anyone else scummy.
Then why aren't you asking him questions?
Okami: I complained about IGs death because i thought Spectr and Deaths votes were from RVS and were left there because they hadn't had time to post.
The vote stayed after RVS not due to lack of time. Read below for more. And isn't it ironic that you accuse people of not scumhunting when you are not doing it yourself?
Spectr + The Swords: What are your thoughts on IG showing up town? Do you think he made any good points before his death?
He was lazytown and made absolutely no points at all.
Spectr + Death: Why didn't you change your votes on IG when we left RVS? Specifically Death who had a chance to change it as he did post before the cutoff.
He behaved in a scummy way. I may have placed my vote on him in RVS, but his behaviour made me increasingly suspicious that he was scum.
{Keeping votes on your RVS targets happens quite a lot, especially when the target answers in a less-than-satisfactory way}
Nerjin and Borno: Reads, yes?
Agh. Need to pay more attention to this. Bay12 suggestion games are such amusing reads, though...
You may have mentioned it first purely not to look bias. Also mentioning it early on the offhand (you have to admit it wasn't very threatening even when you "attacked" Ranger) would give you an opportunity to fall back on an old post like you already did. Of course these are all assumptions but they are all possible and quite intelligent ways to avoid being suspected. After Okami started pushing you didn't. You did post again as I quoted before but you did not fully jump into the fray. As if you wanted to avoid being suspected of scummy act known as band-wagoning.
While typing a post, is it possible to go back to previous pages of the thread? I Kind of want to grab some quotes.
Tabs are your friend.
I wasn't truely attacking him at that point. If I'd felt he was scum after reading his response and no one else had jumped on it, I would have started attacking him at that point. My post was more suspicious than antagonistic. The reason I didn't start pushing him when Okami started was partially that Okami was doing an excellent job, and partially because of lack of enthusiasm for the game. (I started procrastinating instead of checking the thread, and wound up reading some other threads in Bay12's roleplaying section. Timesink if ever there was one.) That small post where I voted Cado as well was me trying to have some presence in the thread after disappearing the previous day while not having the time to actually write up anything substantial. I wanted to 'jump into the fray', but I didn't have the time or the material without basically copying Okami No Rei's case. And if I was worried about looking like I was bandwagoning or bussing, I wouldn't have posted at all. Not like I wouldn't have been the only person not to vote D2. Even with my vote, it was still a minority.
Anyway, on page five you asked a question nice and early on. It involved wondering how to play as your least favorite side. The common side that is unfavorable is mafia. So the question could have been interpreted as "how do you play as scum" in a nonchalant way. I will keep looking for more quotes that support my thoughts but seriously. I would really appreciate it if someone told me how to quote previous pages.
I was wondering if someone was going to catch that. It was the original wording of the question, actually. I made it more vague so that I could examine the answer regardless of which side the player answered. I was looking for how they reacted and responded to the question. It was blatant copying of Okami No Rei's stated method of scumhunting, which looked quite interesting.
Moving on from that. I actually didn't know he was scum in this specific game. He told me he was in 3 different games and he was scum in one of them. Later while we he was explaining mafia to me he saw that I was looking for a beginners game and this was the only one right now. He let it slip he was scum on this one by accident and that is why I wasn't allowed to join until now. I wanted to sub into this game specifically however because Toonyman and Captain Ford told me to try and join a beginners game so they could see if I was good enough for their game. That should answer that question.
Ah. I assumed that because of the GM mentioning it that you were specifically aware of the scumteam in this game, mostly that you might know who the scumpartner was or that you could be subbing in for them. You did still offer to sub in before Cado was lynched, though. Since you knew he was scum and was still in play, why would you sub in for another player?
I would like to mention to everyone that I have no idea where Spectr is and he hasn't posted in a while. Am I missing something or has he been lurking? In fact, he hasn't said a word since I got here. Come on out, I don't bite... much 
Borno. What's up? Are you just going to let everyone see you as an active lurker? You should try to scum hunt, or at least clear your name otherwise you might loose even my trust. Do you have any suspects right now? I'd love to here your ideas.
It's the weekend. We're not allowed to have anyone prodded on the weekend, apparently. Although I agree about Spectr not being very active. At this point, I'm thinking either Spectr or borno is the last scum. borno, mostly. I'd jump on him, but you'd assume I was trying to distract you.
In all seriousness, if he hasn't made a substantial post by Monday night, I'm putting my vote him. I'm hesitant to do it now because in my view, votes aren't something to be thrown around lightly outside of RVS, and he's provided an excuse. An excuse that is quickly expiring, by the way, borno.
swordsmith04:
Borno: Is that all you've got after disappearing for an entire Day?
What do you make of RangerCado focusing on you, but not actually doing anything until pressured?
No, it is not.
I think that RangerCado focusing on me then not doing anything about is scummy, and obviously many other people shared my opinions as he got lynched.
Anywho, first thing's first.
You may have mentioned it first purely not to look bias. Also mentioning it early on the offhand (you have to admit it wasn't very threatening even when you "attacked" Ranger) would give you an opportunity to fall back on an old post like you already did. Of course these are all assumptions but they are all possible and quite intelligent ways to avoid being suspected. After Okami started pushing you didn't. You did post again as I quoted before but you did not fully jump into the fray. As if you wanted to avoid being suspected of scummy act known as band-wagoning.
While typing a post, is it possible to go back to previous pages of the thread? I Kind of want to grab some quotes.
Tabs are your friend.
I wasn't truely attacking him at that point. If I'd felt he was scum after reading his response and no one else had jumped on it, I would have started attacking him at that point. My post was more suspicious than antagonistic. The reason I didn't start pushing him when Okami started was partially that Okami was doing an excellent job, and partially because of lack of enthusiasm for the game. (I started procrastinating instead of checking the thread, and wound up reading some other threads in Bay12's roleplaying section. Timesink if ever there was one.) That small post where I voted Cado as well was me trying to have some presence in the thread after disappearing the previous day while not having the time to actually write up anything substantial. I wanted to 'jump into the fray', but I didn't have the time or the material without basically copying Okami No Rei's case. And if I was worried about looking like I was bandwagoning or bussing, I wouldn't have posted at all. Not like I wouldn't have been the only person not to vote D2. Even with my vote, it was still a minority.
So basically you're admitting to making a small post with minimal effort so that you look like you're being active in the thread? Not only that, but you also admit to copying Okami's case? And don't give me the 'there's not enough time' excuse, there was still a whole 24 hours left to re-read RangerCado's actions for you to build a case your self. Also, that last part is WIFOM and you know it. Really, it sounds like you're trying to make excuses for your incredibly scummy actions. No townie would willingly post something that even themselves admit is complete garbage. Finally, RangerCado did have the majority of votes on him, because a lot of people were no-voting.
Anyway, on page five you asked a question nice and early on. It involved wondering how to play as your least favorite side. The common side that is unfavorable is mafia. So the question could have been interpreted as "how do you play as scum" in a nonchalant way. I will keep looking for more quotes that support my thoughts but seriously. I would really appreciate it if someone told me how to quote previous pages.
I was wondering if someone was going to catch that. It was the original wording of the question, actually. I made it more vague so that I could examine the answer regardless of which side the player answered. I was looking for how they reacted and responded to the question. It was blatant copying of Okami No Rei's stated method of scumhunting, which looked quite interesting.
More admitting to blatant copying. Nah, just joking, but in all seriousness this looks like it was made up on the fly. The question seems dependant on the player in question is scum, as there isn't much that a townie would know or say that any other ordinary townie would know. Unless of course, the player in question is a power role, which means that that question may have actually been incredibly sneaky role-fishing.
It's the weekend. We're not allowed to have anyone prodded on the weekend, apparently. Although I agree about Spectr not being very active. At this point, I'm thinking either Spectr or borno is the last scum. borno, mostly. I'd jump on him, but you'd assume I was trying to distract you.
In all seriousness, if he hasn't made a substantial post by Monday night, I'm putting my vote him. I'm hesitant to do it now because in my view, votes aren't something to be thrown around lightly outside of RVS, and he's provided an excuse. An excuse that is quickly expiring, by the way, borno.
And then there's this. Are you really saying that you want to attack me, but think that if you did it'd make you look like scummy? And then you leave us with a threat of a vote, yet nothing else? RangerCado did that, and he got himself lynched. Better watch your step and repeating your scumbuddy's mistakes.
Overall, you seem to be coming off as a newb scum, coming up with excuses for your slips off the fly, copying other's cases, bandwagoning and even admitting it, and most of all, forsaking the opportunity to attack someone because it'd draw attention to you. No townie would ever do that. All these slips and more, all from one post. I think it's time to hire a swordsmith05, because swordsmith04 is a total scumbag.
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I wasn't truely attacking him at that point. If I'd felt he was scum after reading his response and no one else had jumped on it, I would have started attacking him at that point.
This is scummy. Why? First you didn't want to attack someone. Then you admit that you'd only attack him if no one else did. What is wrong with attacking someone already being attacked by others? There is absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as you don't simply parrot what others have said.
My post was more suspicious than antagonistic. The reason I didn't start pushing him when Okami started was partially that Okami was doing an excellent job.
And this is not only scummy, since you didn't attack someone, but lazy as well, since you didn't because someone else was attacking him (or so you claim that to be the reason).
Aside from that you have also shown yourself to be concerned as to wheter others percieve you as scum or not. You always attack whomever is not being attacked, ensuring you look like you are doing something, but not actually having any impact on the game. Town know they are not scum and thus don't worry about it, insteading attacking with all they've got. Scum, on the other hand, worry a lot about being found, and thus try to just stay under the radar, doing as few action as they can, ensuring there is little to no evidence against them. All of this combined lead me to conclude you are scum swordsmith04, and thus you must die.
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