Well, in the medical community, you generally don't send a cold to the emergency room. That's what having a larger issue entitles you to. Appropriate concern and care.
We do not have the Triage quite yet. We can save both patients right now.
As well these patients are not separate patients they are Siamese Twins.
I'm saying men should help women work towards getting equality, because they are, in real life, actually less equal than men. It's a true fact. It's not some figment of the imagination. What is a figment of the imagination, is the idea that men should have their issues dealt with first.
Red Herring, neither of those have been said.
I just meant that there was something constructive that men could do before asking the women's movement to help them
Honestly from everything said here. Men should by a whole ignore the women's movement and just develop their own language for egalitarianism and apply that to help women.
Feminism isn't made for men and it isn't made for men to talk about feminism. IF and only IF this thread is any indication. (which in real life... it isn't.)
You are asking for men to just sit and listen. To hold back their input. To take a passive role. If they have experiences that contradicts a woman's experience it is considered invalid, if they have an opinion that contradicts a woman's opinion it is invalid.
They need the ability to take an active role, to apply things to themselves, to input without criticism. they need valid input.
"But why must they apply things to themselves?" because it is easier to understand things as it relates to you. You cannot rely on selfishness to go away, you must instead shift selfishness to a usable form. It is the basic concept behind capitalism.
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Ohh well I am out I tried.