Though I understand the nature of the test, empowering Dead Townies seems like an obvious way for Scum to get Town to squander their Day Vote, and slow the Town's power-growth by empowering someone who doesn't stand to benefit from it.
That argument doesn't hold water because you're alive now, and you've got a teal candle lit. If we'd lit your white instead, you'd be alive but have no more information to add to the game. We learned something by lighting one of your other candles instead, and now that you're alive, you're getting advice from your god. I don't see how this slowed town's advancement at all.
I was sorta hoping folks would forget the "Res Me" thing, and just try to get a handle on the puzzle. Then, Dariush's proposition to "revive" me with a Green Candle happened... and it struck me as a bit weird. And it was weird that Dariush's vote was mirrored directly afterward by Ottofar and Captain Ford, without question.
Did you miss the part that said I was already considering it myself? Is it so illogical for multiple people to have drawn the same conclusion? Ottofar had no explanation, but don't lump me together with him. I argued for that decision more than enough. I do believe the information we gained was more valuable than simply lighting your white.
And even better when Captain Ford went on to "accidentally" Tie the vote, along with his teammates. Tying the vote is a way to cripple the Town's Day-Vote, giving the scum's Night-Vote a 1-vote advantage.
I ... am having a very hard time not getting upset about this.
I was lynched in my first BM because the mod incorrectly counted the number of extend votes. We wasted a candle manip yesterday because the mod posted an incorrect votecount and never corrected it or gave us any warning or chance to fix it.
Blaming me for the tie is ridiculous. Take a look at the votecount and the votes in red after it, and you'll see that I was attempting to break a tie, not to cause one. I am incredibly upset for two big reasons:
1. I was powerless to do anything to prevent it. My power was taken away by the mod's mistake. There is no-one to blame, because it was a mistake, but I tried the best I could to prevent it, and instead ended up causing it. Can you understand how angry that makes me?
2. The rest of the players didn't give a shit. I even warned them that there might be vote manipulations, and we even had a vote reset, but nobody even tried to prevent the vote from tying up. It was a fucking catastrophe. I just don't understand why everyone else behaved in such a shitty way, and the fact that you're blaming me for everyone else's lousy behavior is really pissing me off.
We have a pretty good knowledge of why Dariush and Ottofar are scummy; heck, that their candles behaved differently than everyone else's is just another indicator.
Jesus Christ. NO. It only proves that someone was screwing with them. I know it's WIFOM to assume they're town, but why the fuck would you assume they're scum? That's the most bullshit idea I've ever heard.
Besides that, we already know why their candles behaved differently. Do you not remember the feeling candles for heat part? Some part of your brain is completely failing to grasp what's going on.
But to explain why I suspect Captain Ford... for a start, he has been trying very hard to appear Town in his posts, to convey that he "has nothing to hide" from an investigation, etc. He suggests Vector investigate two specific players, without any suspicions against them. Then, after he tied the Day Vote to negate it, he apologizes and explains how "shocked" and "angry" he was about it, and in the same breath requests the Town to light his godly candle to empower him. Seriously dude? You've gotten too bold.
That would be because I am very frustrated with the state of the game. Discussion and consensus simply isn't happening. The votes were allowed to tie because people were stupid and lazy, and it is frustrating the hell out of me.
So my reaction, in addition to expressing my frustration, was to start anticipating questions and answering them as clearly and concisely as I could. A choice you characterize as "being too bold". So apparently, trying to find a constructive solution to a problem is scummy to you.
Most damning, however, is how they talk and act like Reviving me has to be a pro-Town action, despite that Town has no way of knowing that I'm Town.
Yeah, know why? Because you can't answer questions if you're dead. We don't know if you're town or scum, and knowing would be valuable. It IS a pro-town action, even if you're scum.
In a game where the Mod clarifies that players can revive, a player electing to off themselves could be reasonably suspicious... unless you were Scum, and you knew alignment already.
Or maybe my word is worth something. Yes, you're suspicious. But we can't learn anything about you if you're dead.
Part of the rationale for lighting his white candle was to prove that people can be revived at all by lighting candles. If we light another candle and he doesn't revive, we won't know if it's because only his white candle controls that or if he just can't be revived by lighting candles.
By that logic, if you light the white candle and he does come back, you won't know if it's the white candle or any candle that does it.
Yeah. But then he's alive. There's something to be said for that.
Something good or bad?
Good.
To expand on that now that I'm home: It's "good" because Solifuge alive is what I want to happen. As to whether or not it's beneficial in the game itself ... I can't answer that.
If I thought he was scum, I wouldn't hesitate to leave him to rot. But I don't know that, and he volunteered for a test. It's only right that we honor our end of the bargain. (I didn't actually vote to snuff his candle I guess, but it still wouldn't feel right to leave him behind).
What are you trying to show, exactly? That I'm too forthcoming?
This game has been languishing because people are too lazy. I'm trying my best to not be a part of the problem. Being called out for trying to productive when everyone else is being lousy is simply infuriating.
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