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[LordBucket]

Well, we do have some nice perks. For example, it's very convenient that we have a knockback ability on a 2 second cooldown . If I ever need to position an opponent who's aggroed on another player, I can do that. And the buddha fist is nice too For example, if you can get three Emei together with that skill maxed, it's theoretically possible for them to provide 90% damage mitigation for the entire party, and to maintain that damage mitigation forever.

Things like that are nice perks. But if you just want to do a lot of damage, we seem to be mediocre. If you want to be tanky, we can do that but we have to give up all our damage to do it, and even so Wudang apparently do it better than we do. We have pretty good AoE, but our AoE abilities are not spammable, they take a minimum of 40 seconds to build up our damage to the "pretty good" point, and again...others just do it better.

I feel like Emei are a class you always want somebody else in your party to be. For example, just me doing my basic damage rotation provides a regular AoE stun that as an indirect consequence basically means that anyone standing near me will take 12.5% less damage over time. Sure, that's a really nice perk and I'm sure anyone would be happy to have it.

But if you want to feel awesome and powerful...I'm not sure Emei is the best way to do it. We seem to be a support class

[krisslanza]

From what I hear from Emei, they kind of do a little of everything, but do the best in a party. And, oddly for a female-only thing, they're actually one of the most straight-forward damage dealers (again from what I hear). They don't have fancy combos or anything, it's all pretty straight forward damage dealing, which kind of a perk I think.

[Seriyu]

Yeah, I think they do most of their damage through one hit, which is nice sometimes, not having to commit to a big long string of skill activations.

Also, blacksmithing research done, I think the amount of slots for damage boosts and such comes from blacksmithing skill, because each recipe you get is basiclaly a "roll" for a weapon. So "Martial Sword Recipe" can output a ton of potential outputs, which are determined by your blacksmithing skill I think, and as a result the number of slots may be effected by skill too, so to get something awesome like that sword linked earlier will take ab it, but eventually we'll get there. The positive side of this is that even the worst gear a blacksmith makes will outpace the random tutorial weapons, so that'll be good to start out with, and it'll only get better over time.

EDIT: Incidentally I'll probably be making the guild with the name DrunkenFist as in hindsight it's fairly obvious. If that's taken I'll give CaveDragon a shot, and if that isn't the case I'll run down USEC's list of names.

[LordBucket]

They don't have fancy combos or anything, it's all pretty
straight forward damage dealing, which kind of a perk I think.

Yes and no. The majority of my damage when using twin daggers comes from Parting Sorrow stacks. It takes 20 attacks on a 2 second cooldown to build it up to max. That's a minimum of 40 seconds to get there. But once it's there, then yes...I can run around and do anything I want, and at the push of a button do 300-350ish AoE damage.

Thing is, if I haven't built up that buff, my basic attack only does about 60 damage. But it takes almost a minute to build up to my full damage potential. Fights don't usually last that long.

That said, yes..the basic double stings rotation is pretty simple. If it's a fast single target fight, I press 23-23-23 until it's dead. If I'm in an instance, or fighting lots of things one after another, I press 2425-2425-2425 over and over. If I'm fighting an instance boss, and if I'm not taking damage, it's the same 2425-2425, plus every 30 seconds I can press 6 for about an extra 20% damage. Whereas if I'm fighting an instance boss, and I am taking damage, then it's the same 2425-2425 except I press 7 whenever my rage builds up for some extra damage mitigation. And if I'm farming boars for hunting skillgains, then I just walk into the middle of the group and press 4 and they all die.

There isn't a lot of watching rage, or monitoring energy or anything, and I don't have to react much to what's going on. I can just follow the recipe.

blacksmithing research done

even the worst gear a blacksmith makes will outpace the random tutorial weapons

That sounds pretty good. I've been using the same npc-bought weapons for almost a week. If you can make twin stings or a dagger with anything better than 7-10 damage that only require basic gathering materials, let me know what to send your way.

Related: if anyone can make me steamed buns and/or the medium or large sized craftsmen-made materials boxes, I'd be happy to fund your skill training by sending you materials.

[Seriyu]

I'll be sure to get on that! I'll need a craftsman around to do some of these things though. So if anyone with a life skill slot is listening, uuuhhhh, contribute to the smithing industry.

EDIT: as a side note, I'll take care of the materials unless they need like, career specific stuff.

[majikero]

A question. If I change my life skills, do I lose all the recipes I gained? Will I keep those recipes If I change back?

[Seriyu]

I'm not sure about the recipes, probably best to assume they'll poof. You'll also lose all your life skills and experience.

EDIT: Also I'm starting the guild here in a few minutes, everyone get to your guild joining guy and be ready to hop in!

[majikero]

I'm currently in.
IGN. Acolyte

We also need herbalist to turn jackdew herbs into more awesome items.

[Seriyu]

You're just in time, the guild, name "DrunkenFist" is up, everyone that wants to apply go do it! We need 3 people within 3 days. Shouldn't be hard at all.

Also I'll get you added.

We've got a couple of herbalists, and making unbound exp cultivation pills is a very expensive prospect I'm afraid. 

It's a good skill to support yourself though.

[USEC_OFFICER]

I've placed an application as BiaCheng. Much rage was had at the inability to be an old balding man, but I can still make the drunk beggar part, damn it!

[Seriyu]

Yeah I think the first three people that apply just get in, as you're in the guild roster and there are no applications. It might take a little while for it to actually click though.

EDIT: People can't seem to actually chat in guild chat yet, I'm thinking maybe because we need to get the minimum in before it actually works.

EDIT2: Need one more person!

EDIT3: We're gold!

[Cecilff2]

Cecil here.

I'm not sure what server I'm on but I'm a craftsman(3rd or 4th skill level, I forget which).  Have ~30 hard stone wooden handles, as well as dark flower ones.  I can also make Haishu hasps if you need em.

I know that my character isn't on the first server that the beta was on.  It's in one of the ones that started up after that.(I think it's either black or white.  Not sure.)

Having fun in PVP as a scholar.  We're rather vicious.  Aerial autohome attack that prevents the enemy from using aerial attacks and allows one of your other moves to juggle and another to do significantly more damage.

[Seriyu]

We're in blue dragon I'm afraid, but good to know we've got someone around that knows the ropes.

Also yeah, scholors have the best most broken AoE attack in the game, and leisure kick does rediculous burst damage. That rage will mess people up.

EDIT: Guild chat now works!

[LordBucket]

We also need herbalist to turn jackdew herbs into more awesome items.

I'm an herbalist. Problem is that the conversion rate is 4 to 1 to upgrade cultivation medicine, and you have to pay 560 UNBOUND wen per conversion in order to make the result not bound so I can send it back to you

Spoiler: lots of math (click to show/hide)

So off the top of my head, the numbers will look something like this:

 * If you send me 4 jackdaw herbs and 560wen, I can turn that into a grade two cultivation medicine
 * If you send me 16 jackdaw and 2liang 880 wen, I can turn that into one grade three cultivation medicine
 * If you send me 64 jackdaw and 12liang 80 wen I can turn that into one grade four cultivation medicine
 * If you send me 256 jackdaw and 48liang 880 wen, I can turn that into one grade five  cultivation medicine

If you're active enough to burn through all your cultivation every day, it might be worthwhile if you have the unbound coins to do it. You can theoretically get 100 jackdaw/day from spy missions, and you can only use 35 per week. So if you casually do half that, that's 350 jackdaw a week. Way more than you can possibly use. Jackdaw seems to sell for about 50wen each, so if you take your 350 jackdaw...send me 140 to convert, and sell the other 210 @ 50wen each, that comes to 10 liang 500 wen. It would cost  19liang 600wen to convert the 140 jackdaw into 35 grade 2 cultivation medicines, so you'd only need to come up with 9liang 100wen per week in order to have a full set of 35 grade 2 medicine. You can't use more than 35/week, so you may as well do something with all the jackdaw, and this is a good option.

Now how much benefit would that give you? Assuming you have xp in all five bubbles to convert, that's a base of 266 cultivation every 100 seconds. If you afk with a school patrol task enabled that gives you a 10% bonus for 292 cultivation/100 seconds.

Jackdaw gives a 25% bonus for 10 minutes. Assuming you use 35 a week, that comes to a net 15,330 extra cultivation per week

Yellow pills give a 50% bonus for 20 minutes. Assuming you use 35 a week that comes to a net 61,320 extra cultivation per week.

So...assuming you're already using 35 jackdaw a week, if you give me 140 jackdaw and ~20liang, I can give you enough grade 2 medicine to generate an extra 45,990 cultivation per week.


Numbers are untested, but that's how i think it would work. Looking at the numbers...45k/week. Not really sure if that's worthwhile. If you have the liang and jackdaw laying around anyway you kind of may as well do it. But the numbers don't really become noteworthy until you start using grade 3 medicine. 35 grade 3s would take 560 jackdaw and over 100 liang to convert, but would give an extra 167580 cultivation per week. But at that point, 560 jackdaw a week, while possible, would require a lot of spy mission grinding. Might be better to just buy the jackdaw. I occasionally see it for as little as 100wen each, which is only an extra 56 liang on top of the 100

For ~156 unbound liang you can get 167k more cultivation per week.

Though if you really want to game the system, you'd go with green pills, and use a guild patrol instead of a school spy patrol. Checking the math...best case for a non-VIP player buying jackdaw at 100wen each, that works out to 2562 unbound liang per week to get 35 hours of 1062.5 cultivation/100 seconds.

That's 1.3 million cultivation per week. I'm not sure, but combined with your regular non-bonused cultivation, that might be more than you can spend.

In any case this all is why I chose to become an herbalist. I can use bound wen to pay for the conversion and a couple hundred bound liang per week is trivial. The limiting factor is jackdaw. The above 1.3 million figure requires almost 9000 jackdaw per week to do, which is non-trivial to procure even if you have the money to throw around.

Related, if anyone wants unbound liang, do spy missions and I'll buy your jackdaw at 5 liang per 100. Or if you prefer to sell me the surplus and receive grade 2 medicine instead....let me double check the math, but I think it would work out to roughly...send me 100 jackdaw and I'll send you back 6 grade 2 yellow pills.

[Seriyu]

Let me know when you've joined the guild folks, I'll hop on and get you asap!