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[Descan]

And part of the problem is that Greece and Italy are bloody full of refugees at the processing centers :v At least Greece is, and just a few months ago there was the whole issue with Greece having like, no money?

[Baffler]

-snip-

This here is the important bit.

as part of the asylum seeking process you are supposed to claim asylum at the first safe country you're in; far be it claiming asylum in Greece, Turkey, Italy, Malta or any other country in the Balkans, the majority don't want asylum there they want passage into Germany... our refugees are coming through France and should be claiming asylum there.

How, exactly, does all of what you've brought up change the fact that they should have claimed asylum in France? If they're required to claim asylum in the first peaceful country they pass through, then those coming from France to claim asylum in Britain are indeed violating the terms of the arrangement as written, and Britain is well within their rights to be upset about it.

And part of the problem is that Greece and Italy are bloody full of refugees at the processing centers :v At least Greece is, and just a few months ago there was the whole issue with Greece having like, no money?

This, however, is an issue. Distributing the refugees through Europe, but processing them in those places, is a workable solution, but nobody wants to take them. If the migrants are going to be a permanent fixture once they've been brought in, which seems to be the case, just sending aid probably isn't going to be enough.

[Loud Whispers]

So, his entire point is undermining the legitimacy of refugees. Read the phrasing again, in context with highlighting by me:
"whilst with exception to Nigerians and Ugandans fleeing two kinds of crazy (actual refugees), our refugees are coming through France and should be claiming asylum there. And of our refugees? Majority come from Pakistan or Eritrea with Syria in third. No war, no war and war."
He's clearly stating "actual refugrees" as an oppositional class to "our refugees" which includes Eritreans. So, in context he's clearly singling out Eritreans as fakes. I stand by my comment. The last sentence where he says "granted, war isn't always a good indicator" is a disclaimer. It's not a central part of his claim.

I don't think you understand how little I give a shit about petty identity politics; refugees are refugees if they're fleeing war, otherwise they're asylum seekers; one's victim of war and the other politics. It's such a minor difference the only reason I made it was because pretty much everyone has been throwing around the word refugee to the point of uselessness, where everyone who tries to cross the border illegally has become a refugee irregardless of why or where from. I don't know if you're Eritrean or something but I don't see where you "in context" see me "clearly singling out Eritreans as fakes," kek, and everyone's already pointed out better than I could've said what I actually said. What in the bloody hell does "in context" mean to you?

But he's not worth taking seriously. Because there's nothing going on in Uganda compared to Eritrea

Civil war in Uganda?

Look, I don't want to get into oppression olympics over whose suffering is worst because I find that not worth my time.

Granted war status is not what's important, what's important is whether they have reasonable fears for their life should they return, and that's what counts.

I don't know what LW is actually trying to say, but it's definitely not what you think it is.

Have a field day if you want to argue with something that's not there, but as Arx's said that's not the point I was making. If I wanted to say there is no suffering in Africa or the Middle East I'd just say it; and it's clear that's not true.

as part of the asylum seeking process you are supposed to claim asylum at the first safe country you're in; far be it claiming asylum in Greece, Turkey, Italy, Malta or any other country in the Balkans, the majority don't want asylum there they want passage into Germany... our refugees are coming through France and should be claiming asylum there.

How, exactly, does all of what you've brought up change the fact that they should have claimed asylum in France? If they're required to claim asylum in the first peaceful country they pass through, then those coming from France to claim asylum in Britain are indeed violating the terms of the arrangement as written, and Britain is well within their rights to be upset about it.

Yup, the French have been mucking up their end something fierce, and it's not like they don't know what they're doing. The mayor of Calais said Britain should surrender her borders and take down all border restrictions with the European continent or leave the EU in response to illegal border crossing. And then she issued threats to open French borders to allow all the illegal immigrants they've set camps up for to enter Britain. She knows what she's doing, it's deliberate self-sabotage in the hopes the fire burns Dover and not Calais.

You know before mocking Eritrean refugees because you're too ignorant to learn about what's going on in the world, you should pick up a book some time. You're basically one step away from laughing about Jews in the ovens when you dismiss people who are actually experiencing genocide.

Sure got a lot of feels there
I'm being far too polite than I should, but nothing I could say is funnier than you

[Toady One]

Please dial it down a notch in this thread.

[LordSlowpoke]

The problem is that native Germans breed exactly as fast as the Japanese do. That is, not very much. Germany could restrict immigrants in the same way as Japan does, which is what some people here are seeming to suggest. But then Germany would have the same problem as Japan: declining population and a permanently fucked economy.

time to dial it down some notches so please explain how the japanese economy is fucked and give sources

[Loud Whispers]

So guys how about that Catalonia

The problem is that native Germans breed exactly as fast as the Japanese do. That is, not very much. Germany could restrict immigrants in the same way as Japan does, which is what some people here are seeming to suggest. But then Germany would have the same problem as Japan: declining population and a permanently fucked economy.

time to dial it down some notches so please explain how the japanese economy is fucked and give sources

It's the 3rd largest economy in the world
It's not even #1
What a failure

[LordSlowpoke]

So guys how about that Catalonia

The problem is that native Germans breed exactly as fast as the Japanese do. That is, not very much. Germany could restrict immigrants in the same way as Japan does, which is what some people here are seeming to suggest. But then Germany would have the same problem as Japan: declining population and a permanently fucked economy.

time to dial it down some notches so please explain how the japanese economy is fucked and give sources

It's the 3rd largest economy in the world
It's not even #1
What a failure

but do you have proofs

give me the proofs

[Loud Whispers]

but do you have proofs

give me the proofs

By some numbers they're #4 to India
They should basically just give up already it's all ogre

[LordSlowpoke]

but do you have proofs

give me the proofs

By some numbers they're #4 to India
They should basically just give up already it's all ogre

i like how they consider turkey to be an european country in there

also by tradition of proofs your western proofs are invalid and made out of 120% cia propaganda ой вэй this is like kronstadt all over again

do you have any proper, russian proofs carrying a putin stamp of approval

[mainiac]

time to dial it down some notches so please explain how the japanese economy is fucked and give sources

"fucked" is perhaps a bit extreme but notice how Japan was closing the gap with the US for a while, then entered a period of stagnation where the gap with the US widened:
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1Nxy
From 1990 onward, per capita US GDP grows by about 50% while Japanese only grows by about 16%.  Economies worldwide generally converge towards the United States unless there is something going wrong so Japan losing ground is an indication of something going wrong.
(The "*1.05" transformation is to correct for one being in 2011 prices, the other in 2009.  I just punched in the first two series I found because all I was doing was finding something that showed the convergance then re-divergance.)

[smjjames]

If you guys are using slightly dubious sources, how about this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

How did we get from the refugee crisis in Europe to Japan anyway?

[LordSlowpoke]

time to dial it down some notches so please explain how the japanese economy is fucked and give sources

"fucked" is perhaps a bit extreme but notice how Japan was closing the gap with the US for a while, then entered a period of stagnation where the gap with the US widened:
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1Nxy
From 1990 onward, per capita US GDP grows by about 50% while Japanese only grows by about 16%.
(The "*1.05" transformation is to correct for one being in 2011 prices, the other in 2009.  I just punched in the first two series I found because all I was doing was finding something that showed the convergance then re-divergance.)

yeah, the 90s real estate bubble from which the japanese only managed to recover from due to quantitative easing policies in the mid-00s and i daresay still haven't recovered fully, deflation and all

while this explains why the japanese economy can be considered to be in a pickle, right about now is the time where i wait for reelya to put it back and explain it in its original context

[Arx]

but do you have proofs

give me the proofs

By some numbers they're #4 to India
They should basically just give up already it's all ogre

I'm not usually one for memes, but

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[smjjames]

You know, I'm wondering, what is so special about Germany that the refugees would rather go there than staying in Turkey or the Balkans or whatever first peaceful state they reach (which is supposedly what they are supposed to do)? Besides the fact that Isis is right at Turkeys border, which could scare them, and they haven't recieved great treatment in Hungary and some of the Balkans.

[nenjin]

You know, I'm wondering, what is so special about Germany that the refugees would rather go there than staying in Turkey or the Balkans or whatever first peaceful state they reach (which is supposedly what they are supposed to do)? Besides the fact that Isis is right at Turkeys border, which could scare them, and they haven't recieved great treatment in Hungary and some of the Balkans.

One of the wealthiest countries in Europe right now, that managed to avoid a full blown recession while others have not? A fairly high cap on accepting refugees? Great social services?