He's British enough for the SNP, which as we've already established holds the view that anyone who lands on the nation has the right to determine the future of the nation.
Well, if they "land" here and live here for many years, surely they're a part of that nation?
I am landed in other countries, have family in other countries and have lived there for many years. Am I a part of those nations? Of course. But I am not in any way a part of the political class or machinations because those are not my countries. I am not going to revoke my British citizenship and make the full commitment of becoming a subject to their states, or even just getting a dual citizenship. I am a part of that nation in the sense of a particle, I am not a part of that nation in the sense that wherever I walk I am an ambassador of that nation because it is an integral part of
me. Of those nations? They mean a lot to me, but they are not my nations, and I would not dare to assume any power in the say of their nation just because I've lived there. Living there is quite easy, it just involves residence. Even easier when there are no border controls.
I've spoilered what you've said because you keep repeating stuff over and over like "just landed here" and "owns a house here". That's not what I mean. Permanent residence means you are a permanent resident as in you live here full time like anyone else. You can be a British citizen like my great aunt who has lived in the south of Ireland for about 60-70 years. I think she can vote next year, as a British subject I mean. Surely this isn't right? The "citizenry" should just refer to the people who permanently live and work in the country.
That's what I'm referring here too. Heck, a quarter of my family in Britain are not citizens but are in fact permanent residents who have been here for decades under permanent residency. My views remain the same. Your great-aunt is a citizen. She can vote.
Buying a house here does not come close to it.
Again with this stuff. You misunderstood what I was referring to, I'm sorry. It's not "buying a house", it's living here for an extended period of time. I think it's the same criteria for English migrants to Scotland who want to qualify for free tuition.
Mixing bb codes there
And you're right, it's not just buying a house, it's also any residency.
Yes, just as I'm sure there would be jokes about English people "infiltrating the Scottish parliament to preserve the union" or something. There isn't, though, but that's probably because the only-born English people in the Scottish parliament I know are all members of the SNP.
And there you have it
You really need to calm down, Loud Whispers. This is just getting daft now, e.g. the "SNP want to erase the state and replace it with United States of Europe" stuff. Can you give me facts and figures showing that the number of EU residents in this country voting in favour of the EU would massively sway the vote in England in favour, or something? Whatever it is you're concerned about?
Well you would think I've made myself quite clear on what I'm concerned about, and it's the EU. I type quite calmly, unless there is ALL CAPS you can assume that's how I intend my stuff to be read. Shitposting on the internet is itself quite a slow conversational medium.
If you must know, I do not think the SNP wishes to erase the state and replace it with the United States of Europe. They may, but really they're just useful pawns. It is not some daftness Owlbread, the trade union is not an economic one, it is a political one. The Euro took away the nation states of Europe's ability to set their own interest rates, their own monetary policies, the EU took away the nation states of Europe's ability to distinguish between their citizens, the EU took away the nation states of Europe's ability to control their own borders. What happens when you have a nation without borders on the map? Without citizens of their own nation, but instead of the EU? When you have a parliament whose teeth is pulled one by one until it is nothing more than a relic at worst and regional management at best? You get a toothless dog who can only chew on the soft food the good master provides.
Luckily the UK has been in quite the privileged position where as an island erasing its borders has been as easy as filling up the channel (it's taking work), her citizens are still British over the nondescript grey blob that has been coopted as a single "European" identity as aversed to the diverse array that once was the patchwork of European identities, we never adopted the Euro and all the companies and lefties who said we had to join the Euro or die were proven hilariously wrong and the UK can pull out for as long as Cameron does not screw us over with a poisoned referendum, because he loves Juncker with a passion.
And it's not exactly going to end if the Scottish become independent from the UK and subject themselves to the Eurocrats in Brussels; they're campaigning for a common military, common fiscal policy and even more horrendous ways to expand their little project by wasting their euros on shilling for support and expanding instead of actually improving any of the European states that is not Germany. That is not what an economic union sounds like, that is what a nation state sounds like. That is what an Empire sounds like.
Scottish independence would pretty well kneecap British euroskeptics, emboldening the Europhiles' vision even as southern Europe falls apart. The basis upon which a parliament has power is the ability to set taxes and interests rates. Britain still has both powers, her parliament still means a damn, and I don't even think squabbling over left this and right that is worth a damn when the EU will continue to centralize power until there are no nations of Europe on the map. Commentators will talk only of America, China and the EU. They already have, but only then they won't even bother talking about the triangle of Frogs, Sauerkraut and Buckteeth. It astonishes me that you'll still find plenty of MEPs boasting of how the EU is an Empire that expanded peacefully, blissfully unaware of what message that sends to Euroskeptics, as if creating an Empire over democracy is admirable because you did it without firing a bullet.
And if you want me to find stats on how much EU residents could affect the outcome; first and foremost I don't particularly care - on principle I am defending this. On accusing the SNP of just looking to get easy votes, massively swaying the votes is really not much worse than significantly swaying the votes or even having an affect on the votes at all. Any is too much. It's quite bad any way you look at it. If you want stats, surprisingly no one bothered to poll people who won't be able to vote in the next election and would likely vote in one direction anyways. Your googlefu is really as good as my guess, if you find anything on the pro-eu stance of EU citizens living in the UK feel free to post it because I found nothing.