Figured as much, yet a book, written by a Castillian in the 14th century, depicts that very coat of arms. I had no idea that there were Catalan separatists 700 years ago.
Aham. Go and tell the experts that are still discussing which was the Coat of Arms of Aragon on that date. By the way, that book was written 200 years later, so is no proof of nothing.
Yes. See, two different things. The Crown of Aragon contained the Kingdom of Aragon, which ruled it.
Wrong. The King of Aragon was the sovereign of the Crown of Aragon, and all his possessions and territories were included in the Crown of Aragon (including the Kingdom of Aragon).
The King of Aragon, Alfonso II, was a decedent of the Counts of Barcelona; his mother was the Queen of Aragon. If you trace his lineage along his father's side, he clearly descended from Catalan counts, not Aragonese kings.
Sure, so he was the grandson of the King of Aragon but according to you he is not a descendant from the Aragonese Kings.
Doesn't matter; we're arguing whether the Crown of Aragon was ruled by Catalans or Aragonese.
I am not. The Kings of Aragon ruled Aragon and their title was inherited by bloodlines. They all were Aragonese.
You say Aragonese because he descended from the Kings of Aragon, who were Aragonese.
Exactly. You are getting it.
I say Catalan, because he descended from the counts of Barcelona, who were Catalan. The existence of a Kingdom of Catalonia is irrelevant if the King of Aragon was Catalan. So, the argument boils down to whether he was Aragonese or Catalan. If I can demonstrate that Alfonso II was Catalan, then therefore the Crown of Aragon was ruled by Catalans and the Catalans had, at one point, their own independent state; this would mean that you are wrong on that point. If you can demonstrate that Alfonso II was Aragonese, then therefore the Crown of Aragon was ruled by the Aragonese, and that the Catalans never held an independent state; this would mean that I am wrong on that point. Would you like to argue on these terms as to avoid other, more convoluted issues?
The King of Aragon explicitly said that the Count of Barcelona (that married his doughter) would inherit the entire Kingdom of Aragon if he survived him. In that case, you would have been right in some ways. But the Count of Barcelona died, so he did not inherit nothing, and the Kingdom of Aragon was inherited by the grandson of the King of Aragon (that also inherited the Count of Barcelona from his Aragonese mother). And, being that he was the grandson of the Aragonese King, who called himself the King of Aragon, you still try to deny he was Aragonese is absurd and crazy. I will not answer you again on this matter unless you have something interesting to say.
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