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[Owlbread]

And has a ton of people with European heritage. Real European heritage, not American 'my ancestors came from Europe at some point or another' heritage.

Actually, exactly "my ancestors came from Europe at some point or another" heritage. There is little difference between Israel and the United States in that regard.

The majority of them came over more recently than the majority of Americans but I'm sure you'll find enormous quantities of people who are as "European" as the Israelis in the United States, probably more than in Israel itself.

But yeah when Palestine gets appropriate recognition, if they don't get to participate in Eurovision they're going to have a big problem with be battering down their doors with my fists of righteous anger.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

And has a ton of people with European heritage. Real European heritage, not American 'my ancestors came from Europe at some point or another' heritage.

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MEANIE

[Descan]

Rood.

* Descan cries into his kilt. ;-;

[misko27]

That is a crack at the US, not an argument.

America thread would be a better option. And besides there are more Jews in America then Europe anyway, so I don't see how that's relevant. And all of you have African ancestry too but if you went on yammering about Norway in a hypothetical Africa thread it's still wrong.

Final argument: This is the European Politics thread. Not culture, not ethnicity (although Owlbread seems to conflate the two a lot) politics. Israel's political boundaries lie outside Europe.

But seriously, this is off-topic. Drop it or take it elsewhere.

[Descan]

Not culture, not ethnicity (although Owlbread seems to conflate the two a lot)

No he doesn't :v That's crazy, why would you think that? Literally the complete opposite of the guy, he's all about "Anyone can take on any culture they feel a kinship with", that's why he can feel a kinship with the ancient Scottish-region cultures, even with no clear line of descent.

Literally the complete and total opposite.

[misko27]

Not culture, not ethnicity (although Owlbread seems to conflate the two a lot)

No he doesn't :v That's crazy, why would you think that? Literally the complete opposite of the guy, he's all about "Anyone can take on any culture they feel a kinship with", that's why he can feel a kinship with the ancient Scottish-region cultures, even with no clear line of descent.

Literally the complete and total opposite.

I meant culture and politics, and ethnicity and politics, not culture and ethnicity. It was not well said, I admit.

[Descan]

Well, what else is politics but economy and culture?

[TD1]

Economy, yes. The agreements/laws, yes. Culture, if it impinges or effects relationships with other countries, yes. But not just culture. Culture isn't politics.

[Owlbread]

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No he doesn't :v That's crazy, why would you think that? Literally the complete opposite of the guy, he's all about "Anyone can take on any culture they feel a kinship with", that's why he can feel a kinship with the ancient Scottish-region cultures, even with no clear line of descent.

Literally the complete and total opposite.

Thank you very much, Descan. You've put it better than I could. As you've illustrated, it is important to note that I don't actually have a clear line of descent to the ancient Caledonians or Picts or anybody like that - my Brythonic ancestors could have moved North from Wales or England for all I know, yet I feel kinship with the Caledonians. I also feel kinship with the Gaels, despite the fact that my ancestors probably never spoke Gaelic, apart from maybe a brief century or two.

It's interesting though, if you google the definition of "ethnicity" you will receive this:

"the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition."

You'll notice there's no mention of "bloodline" or even heritage in there. I know the definition is problematic, given that it leads to such novelties as "ethnic Americans/Canadians", but is that actually a problem? Maybe I am actually more "ethnically" focused than I realised. Maybe we all are. Even Helgoland's feelings of pan-Europeanness would be considered "ethnic", along with MSH's attitudes towards being American.

I don't know if Misko actually knew this when he talked about ethnicity a few times, and my indignation is at the suggestion that I am conflating blood with culture. If this was not the suggestion, my sincerest apologies for my indignation is misdirected.

EDIT: "7 posts have been already made" - piss.

Well, what else is politics but economy and culture?

Once again, this is very true. Even within countries, culture is intrinsically linked with politics; think back to the 1980s and people's feelings about Margaret Thatcher. That was at least 70% culture, with economics coming second.

Rinat Akhmetov has accused the "separatists" of leading Ukraine towards genocide

[misko27]

*sigh* I misspoke when I said anything about them. I know enough not to go up against Owl on this. It is pointlessly argumentative. And it is in the interest of avoiding that argumentativeness that I insist on adherence to the rules.

Honestly, I don't care what the nuts say anymore either. After "The good hitler"* line, nothing can be said that shocks me.

*Here for more information on this

[TD1]

"You are not authorised to access this page"

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Meanwhile,
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/cheese-war-ripening-between-eu-u-s-1.1648584

WE WILL NEVER CAPITULATE!
IT'S OOON WOOO

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((Screw you guys, ya moved on while I was making teh perty colorz.))

[RedKing]

Meanwhile,
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/cheese-war-ripening-between-eu-u-s-1.1648584

WE WILL NEVER CAPITULATE!
IT'S OOON WOOO

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So.....we just stick "-style" after everything?

PROBLEM SOLVED
YOURE WELCOME

* RedKing wins Nobel Peace Prize for averting The Great Atlantic Cheese War

[XXSockXX]

Economy, yes. The agreements/laws, yes. Culture, if it impinges or effects relationships with other countries, yes. But not just culture. Culture isn't politics.

But politics is culture and vice versa. If your culture believes everybody should look out for themselves, you're not gonna have a health care system. If your culture believes women are inferior, your government might make them wear burkas. Culture and politics are inseparable. How cultural heritage plays into that can vary, but usually it is very noticeable, like for example in Turkey, where the influx of secular European culture clashes with traditional Islam.

Not culture, not ethnicity (although Owlbread seems to conflate the two a lot)

No he doesn't :v That's crazy, why would you think that? Literally the complete opposite of the guy, he's all about "Anyone can take on any culture they feel a kinship with", that's why he can feel a kinship with the ancient Scottish-region cultures, even with no clear line of descent.

Literally the complete and total opposite.

Yeah, the way I understand Owlbread he is open to people embracing the local cultural heritage without a strict need to have blood ties to it, thereby avoiding the "blood and soil" trap nationalist ideologies tend to fall into. Obviously that is easier for people who have ethnical ties to a certain culture, but that is the challenge of any sort of patriotism or nationalism that tries to be civic and modern while not disregarding the traditional cultural heritage of a region.

Meanwhile,
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/cheese-war-ripening-between-eu-u-s-1.1648584

We did have a thread about TTIP at some point I think. I hope it falls through at this point, I don't want to eat the crap that is sold as food in the US. 

[smjjames]

that is literally the worst thing you could hope it to become short of a broken or rogue state

explain why

Because Israel is a role model of a country for me
What is bad in Israel?
Security service that can eliminate enemies of the nation anywhere?
Strong and respected army that is more than able to keep aggressive neighbors at bay
Top-notch defense industry?
Well developed economy?
Independent internal policy?

What is bad in Israel?

That same list could very well apply to other nations, like the US for example, or China.