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Bay12 Presidential Focus Polling 2016

Ted Cruz
- 7 (6.5%)
Rick Santorum
- 16 (14.8%)
Michelle Bachmann
- 13 (12%)
Chris Christie
- 23 (21.3%)
Rand Paul
- 49 (45.4%)

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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3840 on: October 22, 2013, 08:20:41 pm »

Yeah, it's only when you have 2 liberal parties that you get a vote spoiler. If you have two Democrats, they go all Highlander and then when the ACTUAL, true-for-real-no-kidding election comes, it's one Democrat and one Republican.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3841 on: October 22, 2013, 08:20:59 pm »

Goddamn Ohio. Why you always gotta be the linchpin?

We're just awesome like that.

I just hope we get a democratic governor out of this, our current one is kind of a scumbag.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3842 on: October 22, 2013, 08:24:16 pm »

You know if I was an American I would try to run as president on a far right libertarian platform, promising to cut the fuck out of tax and being critical of any social justice movement, getting media attention saying controversial things, essentially Rand 2: The Randdoning, just for the sake of trying to split the conservative vote a little more.

And the best bit is that if somehow I ever managed to freeze hell over and get elected, I would turn coat, raise taxes and bathe in the tears of my own voters.

I would just be the worst US candidate.

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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3843 on: October 22, 2013, 08:26:00 pm »

Goddamn Ohio. Why you always gotta be the linchpin?

We're just awesome like that.

I just hope we get a democratic governor out of this, our current one is kind of a scumbag.
Bit of an understatement, that. Of course, there's only one reason that a politician gets a moniker like "Honest John", and it's never complimentary.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3844 on: October 22, 2013, 08:27:03 pm »

You know if I was an American I would try to run as president on a far right libertarian platform, promising to cut the fuck out of tax and being critical of any social justice movement, getting media attention saying controversial things, essentially Rand 2: The Randdoning, just for the same of trying to split the conservative vote a little more.
That's just what the Republicans say anyway.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3845 on: October 22, 2013, 08:39:59 pm »

You know if I was an American I would try to run as president on a far right libertarian platform, promising to cut the fuck out of tax and being critical of any social justice movement, getting media attention saying controversial things, essentially Rand 2: The Randdoning, just for the sake of trying to split the conservative vote a little more.

And the best bit is that if somehow I ever managed to freeze hell over and get elected, I would turn coat, raise taxes and bathe in the tears of my own voters.

I would just be the worst US candidate.
Couldn't win more votes then Vermin Supreme. Besides, you can always run in the primaries on the platform of "If nominated I will move". You still couldn't actually run for President, being foreign-born, but you could divide the vote of morons nonetheless.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3846 on: October 22, 2013, 08:55:55 pm »

That is so silly that you need to be born in the US to run. Heck our current Prime minister was born in London and not a single fuck is given. It didn't even ever come up in political debate.
Damn nationalist paranoia, I want to turn your country into my own socialist paradise dammit!

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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3847 on: October 22, 2013, 09:00:18 pm »

You don't have to necessarily be born in the US to run, you just have to be born an American citizen. John McCain, for example, was born in Panama (as I recall).
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3848 on: October 22, 2013, 09:01:54 pm »

It's an artifact from when the US was terrified it'd be taken over by a foreign power in its early years, and no one's bothered to change the laws since then.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3849 on: October 22, 2013, 09:07:39 pm »

You don't have to necessarily be born in the US to run, you just have to be born an American citizen. John McCain, for example, was born in Panama (as I recall).
Bet that went over well with the conspiracy nutters. They are probably saying their nation is being controlled by various foreign powers like Panama and Hawaii.

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« Reply #3850 on: October 22, 2013, 09:12:00 pm »

As long as you are given U.S. citizenship at birth, you're good to go. I personally would change the law so that if you weren't born a citizen, you must first become one, and maybe spend 2 additional years in the US on top of the existing requirement or something.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3851 on: October 22, 2013, 09:15:41 pm »

You can't even hold most other public offices at two years citizenship. The Schwarzenegger Amendment would have set it at 20 years.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3852 on: October 22, 2013, 09:20:32 pm »

It's an artifact from when the US was terrified it'd be taken over by a foreign power in its early years, and no one's bothered to change the laws since then.
And now* that blind, fervent patriotism has become a fixture of the American culture, it'll never be changed. It'd be a lot like repealing the 2nd Amendment**. It no longer matters what the actual effect is, it's adherence to the tradition that's viewed as the American ideal. It doesn't matter what you propose replacing it with - any challenge would be UnAmerican.

*Decades ago, really. It's just still true.
**Not to say the 2nd Amendment is anything like as arbitrary. I'm picking it as a sacred cow, irrationally defended, because it's what the Founding Fathers allegedly wanted. You could replace the 2nd Amendment with an even stronger guarantee of rights to weapon ownership, and the change would still be torn apart. I really don't want a tangential fight over this comparison. It's got nothing to do with the actual merits of the Amendment.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3853 on: October 22, 2013, 09:25:45 pm »

You don't have to necessarily be born in the US to run, you just have to be born an American citizen. John McCain, for example, was born in Panama (as I recall).
I thought he was born in US-held territory of Panama though? George Romney was born in Mexico though.
As long as you are given U.S. citizenship at birth, you're good to go. I personally would change the law so that if you weren't born a citizen, you must first become one, and maybe spend 2 additional years in the US on top of the existing requirement or something.
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Re: FearfulJesuit's American Politics Megathread Two: Vote Kony 2016
« Reply #3854 on: October 22, 2013, 09:40:25 pm »

We DID give you William Shatner and Jim Carrey.
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