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[Hanslanda]

really i feel sorry for the Imperium in WH40k.

they are the only faction that doesn't act like complete assholes just for the sake of acting like complete assholes.

Heh. Hehehehehehehahahahahahaha. No.

The Imperium is the grandest collection of massive assholes ever seen. People are oppressed, spit on, kicked down, conscripted, and murdered for no reasons whatsoever, daily, in VAST numbers. Fall asleep in a bar? Wake up on a starship, chained to a gun, forced to reload for the rest of your natural life. Happen to be born with a psychic power, even the most INFINITESIMALLY tiny hint of Psyker powers? Welcome to the Black Ships/Emperor's Feeding Trough/being forcibly Astropath'd/Flagellent'd/etc. You want to defend your home? Get thrown into a battalion and used as just another 200 pounds of meat to throw at some enemy guns to wear them down.

The Imperium IS just trying to survive, yes. But they still do a bunch of incredibly assholish things for NO GOOD REASON.

[Xantalos]

I really have to argue against the Tau being communists. They're far more equivalent to a Hindu society rather than any sort of socialist society.

'for the greater good' ring a bell?

... that's not communism.

[kahn1234]

The Imperium IS just trying to survive, yes. But they still do a bunch of incredibly assholish things for NO GOOD REASON.

to Survive. they do those things out of necessity. They do it because every man and his alien dog is out to smash them to itty bitty pieces.

I really have to argue against the Tau being communists. They're far more equivalent to a Hindu society rather than any sort of socialist society.

'for the greater good' ring a bell?

... that's not communism.

ok the Tau are Space Hindu's who want to convert everyone to their way or else....

[Sirus]

they are the only faction that doesn't act like complete assholes just for the sake of acting like complete assholes.

The Imperium is just trying to survive, yet....

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

The Tau will at least offer alien races the option of peaceful integration. The Imperium will simply bomb you from orbit if they don't decide to take over and turn your species into fourth-rate menial labor.

Besides, haven't you heard the stories of using waves of infantry to clear minefields or force the enemy to waste ammo? The Imperium is filled with assholes as well, they're just the assholes with the most screen time.

[kahn1234]

they are the only faction that doesn't act like complete assholes just for the sake of acting like complete assholes.

The Imperium is just trying to survive, yet....

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

The Tau will at least offer alien races the option of peaceful integration. The Imperium will simply bomb you from orbit if they don't decide to take over and turn your species into fourth-rate menial labor.

Besides, haven't you heard the stories of using waves of infantry to clear minefields or force the enemy to waste ammo? The Imperium is filled with assholes as well, they're just the assholes with the most screen time.

can you really blame the Imperium for not taking any chances and simply blitzing unknown aliens? the last thing they want is to run into yet another enemy to fight.

The Imperium is mostly the way it is due to Rogue AI's (probably the fault of Chaos), Chaos being douchebags, freaky alien superweapons/monsters ('nids and Orks) and asshole aliens (Eldar) all coming in to mess imperial shit up.

[Hanslanda]

The Imperium doesn't feel that it is threatened. For the most part, Imperials seem to think that Mankind is the dominant race in the galaxy (which they really are) and that their forces are unstoppable (Which they usually are, due to OVERWHELMING numbers.).

They're kind of in the same position as the Late Roman Empire or the Byzantine Empire. 'We are vast, and mighty, look at our past accomplishments! Yes, we must be on our guard, but we ARE INVINCIBLE!'

[kahn1234]

The Imperium doesn't feel that it is threatened. For the most part, Imperials seem to think that Mankind is the dominant race in the galaxy (which they really are) and that their forces are unstoppable (Which they usually are, due to OVERWHELMING numbers.).

They're kind of in the same position as the Late Roman Empire or the Byzantine Empire. 'We are vast, and mighty, look at our past accomplishments! Yes, we must be on our guard, but we ARE INVINCIBLE!'

things would be a hell of a lot better if they weren't getting attacked from every corner and the Inquisition wasnt spiriting away all the tech to use for themselves on their own on their own worlds.....

and i must say, the Imperium isn't all about numbers. you have the Imperial fleet in general, the Titan Legions, the Inquisition (and all its unknown territories, tech and the like) and the SPHES MEHREENS!

[Sirus]

Frankly? Yeah, I can blame them. The Imperium can learn a lot from the various species they meet, even if it's only new weapons technology. Instead, they bomb them to oblivion. Remember that they would have wiped out the Tau (a bunch of spear-wielding primitives who barely mastered fire) if not for that freak warp storm. No real reason to do so, they were just in the way.

[Xantalos]

Brighthammer 40k, on the other hand ...

[Loud Whispers]

The Imperium is just trying to survive, yet....

The Imperium is trying to maintain its Empire while continuing the survival of the human race, the triumph over the warp and the destruction of the heretic and the xenos. So everyone else in the galaxy who is not a human. Not withstanding all the people pulling the strings in the backgrounds to achieve their personal goals.

the Eldar are arrogant, holier than though, common-sense lacking space elves who for some reason like to take the most convoluted paths to their goals.

Justified arrogance. They sometimes assume that others will understand their outlook on life [which literally looks at all times of life] and find themselves mistaken. Their Empire was something they had pride in and sit on the same boat the Imperium have, if an old, worn boat.

the Dark Eldar are pretty much the same except they have the added 'bonus' of depraved sexual desires and deviant things that would make even Slaanesh blush.

All Eldar have them, the DE give themselves to them.

The Orks are, well, the Orks.

Technically the happiest race in 40k, it's pure grim darkness is their version of Nirvana. Wherever they go there is fighting to be had. They are the only winners to 40k, all the other races should aspire to their philosophies.

the Necrons are freaky genocidal zombie robots.

Not since Ward slammed his face on them. Now they have leaders with personality, not withstanding Glad0s worlds which are pretty much just that. Assume 3rd edition Star Gods is the more accurate depiction, it has more canon to support it.
In which case Lovecraftian feels are achieved. Probably the most sincere faction of the 40k universe.
[Excluding Trazyn].

the Tyranids are brainless galaxy devouring monsters

Their collective intelligence is strong. Ironically the only thing that separates their ideology from the Imperium's is that the Imperium doesn't leave the worlds they exploit.

the Tau are space communists who want to forcefully convert everyone to their way or kill them all.

They seem to be more of a mix with space Japanese Imperialists and Hindus. Reasonable to the point of naivety. They want an Empire, they want to be a power like the Imperium. They want to make it better than the Imperium and the Eldar's lost Empire, making theirs without their predecessors mistakes, bring their own new flaws into the galactic stage. Kill only those who oppose you directly... Efficiently.

And Chaos loves to take a dump on everyone every once in a while for shits and giggles.

Contrary to some of the recent fluff, chaos has purpose.
Tzeentch - everything is changing. Change is good. Gives people hope [hope leads to chaos].
Nurgle - everything is impermanent. Embrace decay [end the suffering].
Slaanesh - everything sucks. You might as well enjoy sucking [happiness is achieved with amorality].
Khorne - everything bleeds. No matter where the blood flows, it all ends in death [blood for the blood god*].

_{*Khorne does not like the blood of innocents. He sometimes gets mad when his followers kill the unarmed. They are noble slaughterers.
**Collateral is more acceptable though.}

Frankly? Yeah, I can blame them. The Imperium can learn a lot from the various species they meet, even if it's only new weapons technology. Instead, they bomb them to oblivion. Remember that they would have wiped out the Tau (a bunch of spear-wielding primitives who barely mastered fire) if not for that freak warp storm. No real reason to do so, they were just in the way.

The Imperium are willing to let Xenos live as long as they pose no threat. There is a story of a guardsman doing very bad things to save an entire species of sub-humans by faking records and saying they're xenos not mutants. Mutants get the purge no matter what, Xenos get a blind eye if they don't go stabbing at Imperials.

[kahn1234]

Frankly? Yeah, I can blame them. The Imperium can learn a lot from the various species they meet, even if it's only new weapons technology. Instead, they bomb them to oblivion. Remember that they would have wiped out the Tau (a bunch of spear-wielding primitives who barely mastered fire) if not for that freak warp storm. No real reason to do so, they were just in the way.

look at it from the Imperiums point of view:

The unknown alien race could become a threat in the future (like the Tau).

they could be corrupted by Chaos and become an enemy.

they could be used to bolster an existing enemies armies.

etc.

It all comes down to trying NOT to have any more enemies. Yes, they may not go about it the best way, but to them its the only way.

[Sirus]

Except the Imperium had no idea that the Tau could become a later threat. A survey ship found them hiding in caves, marked them on a star map, and a colony fleet set out to take the world for their own. Were it not for the warp storm rendering Tau space inaccessible for 6000 years, they would have been wiped out before they could ever seriously threaten a single Guardsman. Just imagine how many other primitive species were not so lucky.

Hell, when the Tau first began showing off their technological might all those thousands of years later, no one even thought that they might be the same bunch of cave people until much later.

[Hanslanda]

Except the Imperium had no idea that the Tau could become a later threat. A survey ship found them hiding in caves, marked them on a star map, and a colony fleet set out to take the world for their own. Were it not for the warp storm rendering Tau space inaccessible for 6000 years, they would have been wiped out before they could ever seriously threaten a single Guardsman. Just imagine how many other primitive species were not so lucky.

Hell, when the Tau first began showing off their technological might all those thousands of years later, no one even thought that they might be the same bunch of cave people until much later.

Also, the Eldar are theorized to have engineered the Tau to be a weapon against the Imperium. Or something.

[Xantalos]

Point is, I've long since migrated to Brighthammer. Goatee!Empy is best Empy.

[Sirus]

Except the Imperium had no idea that the Tau could become a later threat. A survey ship found them hiding in caves, marked them on a star map, and a colony fleet set out to take the world for their own. Were it not for the warp storm rendering Tau space inaccessible for 6000 years, they would have been wiped out before they could ever seriously threaten a single Guardsman. Just imagine how many other primitive species were not so lucky.

Hell, when the Tau first began showing off their technological might all those thousands of years later, no one even thought that they might be the same bunch of cave people until much later.

Also, the Eldar are theorized to have engineered the Tau to be a weapon against the Imperium. Or something.

Is there any canon supporting that? I always thought it was just a fan theory.

Besides, the Eldar and Tau fight as well. If I were the Eldar, I'd want to make sure that my newest plaything couldn't turn against me. If the Eldar can see that butchering a million humans now would save the lives of ten Eldar in 200 years (and they'd do it, too), shouldn't they realize that the Tau would not be particularly fond of their "creators" 6000 years down the line?