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121 (60.5%)

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79 (39.5%)

Total Members Voted: 200

[WillowLuman]

The problem is, fatal errors might take time to occur, for example if someone added a syndrome and someone else changed it, people infected without them noticing might permanently crash the game if they show up during someone else's turn. Creatures would have to stay forever, as we could only have so many placeholders and there are certain creature properties that cannot be set or removed after the world starts without breaking it. It's very difficult to simply remove a creature from the game once instances of it have appeared, and bearing in mind someone might want to see a particular modded creature again even if players coming after don't. This is not to mention all the changes coming to raws (especially for creatures), bringing up need for testing periods (which in all likelihood most players won't have time for).

Modders will take time to adjust to the new version, so modding the main save would slow us down considerably. If there is to be more-than-trivial modding (adding anything new, for instance), we really should keep it on a secondary world used for crazy testing purposes.

That is what the vote is for: if you want major modding (new creatures, robo-dragons, etc) in the MAIN SUCCESSION GAME, vote YES. If you'd rather confine mods to a secondary, no-rules test world, vote NO.

[Eric Blank]

Too much fiddling with the raws mid-game can be dirty business. Dirty, dirty business that results in horrible monstrosities...

[Mesa]

Let's just play the game pure vanilla.
If one wants to fiddle around with mods, you can always just duplicate the given world and do what you want with it.

[mastahcheese]

Let's just play the game pure vanilla.
If one wants to fiddle around with mods, you can always just duplicate the given world and do what you want with it.

THIS.

Just do this, then you can tell everyone about whatever it was that you did, and we can all have a good laugh like we should, and get back to the game at hand without ruining it for everyone.

[wowie]

Let's just play the game pure vanilla.
If one wants to fiddle around with mods, you can always just duplicate the given world and do what you want with it.

THIS.

Just do this, then you can tell everyone about whatever it was that you did, and we can all have a good laugh like we should, and get back to the game at hand without ruining it for everyone.

And if it's funny enough someone could pick it up and make it into a spinoff world.

[Mesa]

Let's just play the game pure vanilla.
If one wants to fiddle around with mods, you can always just duplicate the given world and do what you want with it.

THIS.

Just do this, then you can tell everyone about whatever it was that you did, and we can all have a good laugh like we should, and get back to the game at hand without ruining it for everyone.

And if it's funny enough someone could pick it up and make it into a spinoff world.

Alternate universes, eh?
Me gusta.

[WillowLuman]

You know what? That's brilliant.

[Mesa]

You know what? That's brilliant.

I love when we achieve a good agreement.
Bonus point if I have been involved.


Also, I wonder if when you exterminate a population of a site that didn't belong to you (let's say a hill dorf site or a dark fortress) - will it count as reclaimable later on?
I would love to see that happen.

You make a fort, train some legendary dorfs, give them some legendary stuff and whatnot, retire the fort, play adventure mode, hire the military, go conquer some sites, retire, reclaim, rinse, repeat.
That could potentially lead to world domination at some point.

Boy I want this release so badly...

[Yuli Vlasi]

I love when we achieve a good agreement.
Bonus point if I have been involved.

Meanwhile, I have been drooling.

[Mesa]

You know what? That's brilliant.

Also, kinda offtopic, but how have you been enjoying my Island of All Evil world so far?
Did you get there?

(I personally am on the way there, but since I've decided to gen the world with only 2 years the island actually looks mirthful or serene or something and not evil, ironically.)

[Spish]

Also, I wonder if when you exterminate a population of a site that didn't belong to you (let's say a hill dorf site or a dark fortress) - will it count as reclaimable later on?
I would love to see that happen.

I doubt you'll be able to reclaim it yourself, but it'll certainly be significantly easier for your dwarfciv to conquer.

[Mesa]

Also, I wonder if when you exterminate a population of a site that didn't belong to you (let's say a hill dorf site or a dark fortress) - will it count as reclaimable later on?
I would love to see that happen.

You make a fort, train some legendary dorfs, give them some legendary stuff and whatnot, retire the fort, play adventure mode, hire the military, go conquer some sites, retire, reclaim, rinse, repeat.

I doubt you'll be able to reclaim it yourself, but it'll certainly be significantly easier for your dwarfciv to conquer.

You know what would also be awesome?
If other independent already-existing fortresses were seen by the game as "retired" and available to be reclaimed.

I am just trying to think of a way to let us live in the sites conquered by adventurers.
While I don't see that being TOO hard to code, I just am probably ignorant and can't seem to find those things hard.

Implementing high-level diplomacy system? Is hard, I'll admit.
But this shouldn't be extraordinary difficult, and would provide us with a much, MUCH better way of directly interacting with our worlds, which is what we're seeking after all.

[Eric Blank]

According to the dev logs, Toady isn't planning on letting us reclaim any sites besides the specific dwarf fortress sites. Hill dwarf and cavern settlements, and other races' settlements, won't be available for reclaim, abandoned or not.

Some tests I'd like to see done in the next version are;

- Using embark anywhere or a similar utility to embark on top of various races' settlements, build there, then abandon some, retire others, and let invaders conquer a third group, and see how the game now treats these two overlapping sites and the populations within them, and the effects the circumstances of one may have on the other. This isn't a hypothesis-driven experiment I guess, although you could form hypotheses.

- See if, by wiping out the populations of sites owned by a particular civilization, you can now destroy that civilization entirely. As I understood form Toady's logs and answers to questions, the issue with killing non-historical figures not reducing the population and being respawned or replaced is getting fixed with this update.

- What happens if you embark on your own civilization's active site.

[WillowLuman]

You know what? That's brilliant.

Also, kinda offtopic, but how have you been enjoying my Island of All Evil world so far?
Did you get there?

(I personally am on the way there, but since I've decided to gen the world with only 2 years the island actually looks mirthful or serene or something and not evil, ironically.)

Haven't had the chance to play it, actually. Sorry.

Anyway, site testing will be very interesting. Loyalty cascades will probably have disappeared or changed.

[Lolfail0009]

This looks interesting... posting to watch.