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[Mesa]

Yeah, retiring a dwarven fortress and then populating it with outcast adventurers of various races sounds like it could result in some interesting impromptu history. All you'd need is to enable those races to be played as outcasts, which can basically be done by adding one little line of code to their entity definition.

I seriously have no idea why elves and dwarves aren't playable as outcasts by default.
I feel like this should be in now, ever since we have sites for all the races (I'm guessing that lack of elven/dwarven sites was the primary reason for them to not have an outcast variation, since playing them basically is like playing as outcasts, to some extent)

[Eric Blank]

I dunno if there's a real reason for it, but to my knowledge you never have been able to play as outcasts of any other races by default. All the way back in 40d. If anything, it's a tradition.

[Spish]

Yeah, retiring a dwarven fortress and then populating it with outcast adventurers of various races sounds like it could result in some interesting impromptu history. All you'd need is to enable those races to be played as outcasts, which can basically be done by adding one little line of code to their entity definition.

We should definitely spawn an extra civ and wipe them out for the purpose testing this. If not on the continent proper, then we could have the colony established on a remote island/valley where they are completely free from outside influence.

[The Hadad]

Ahoy. Just finished reading through the thread--I'd like to participate as well, if you're still accepting more people.

>Unnecessary detail
>Dwarf Fortress.
Excuse me?

Sig'd

[Mesa]

Yeah, retiring a dwarven fortress and then populating it with outcast adventurers of various races sounds like it could result in some interesting impromptu history. All you'd need is to enable those races to be played as outcasts, which can basically be done by adding one little line of code to their entity definition.

We should definitely spawn an extra civ and wipe them out for the purpose testing this. If not on the continent proper, then we could have the colony established on a remote island/valley where they are completely free from outside influence.

Even if it requires (temporarily) giving them [FLIER] tags.
We've already got Bear Grylls, now it's time for The Colony!

[Spish]

Even if it requires (temporarily) giving them [FLIER] tags.

Or the Swimming skill and a lot of patience...

[Mesa]

Even if it requires (temporarily) giving them [FLIER] tags.

Or the Swimming skill and a lot of patience...

Whatever floats your boat. (which is ironic since we don't have boats in DF yet)
You can train in my Legendary World and try swimming here.


Small fraction, not a full representation of the world.

The closest civ is like a week of flying in the mountains, and beelines aren't possible (unless DFhack)...

[WillowLuman]

Yeah, retiring a dwarven fortress and then populating it with outcast adventurers of various races sounds like it could result in some interesting impromptu history. All you'd need is to enable those races to be played as outcasts, which can basically be done by adding one little line of code to their entity definition.

We should definitely spawn an extra civ and wipe them out for the purpose testing this. If not on the continent proper, then we could have the colony established on a remote island/valley where they are completely free from outside influence.

On the test world, I say. There's no need to define a whole new race in the raws, just go with an already spawned vanilla one. Remember, each race has several civs.

Outsiders can be enabled post-gen

[Spish]

^ Who said anything about new races? Subterranean animal people are already (sort-of) playable in the game.
(and it doesn't matter when outsiders are enabled, not that there's any point in doing that prior to worldgen)

I forgot to claim a turn, so sign me up mates. In the meantime, I thought I'd share some of my fortress ideas, since it's extremely unlikely that I'll get to do them all (unless I were to combine all of them into one fortress, that is ).

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Dwarf of the Dead - A tight, claustrophobic mountain hall set in a perpetually reanimating hellhole.  Fortress is not complete without a zombified forgotten beast boss, or hell, just use a live one (he'll be snacking on the zombies when you show up). Maybe use DFhack to kill all the zombies before retiring so they all raise in specific places once the adventurer arrives. The only way to put them down for good is by destroying the head!
Los Ganados - Huskville, which is like Zombieville, but much, much worse. Bonus points if the husks are armed with weapons and armor.
The Count's Mansion - A quaint estate whose sole resident is an extremely rich and powerful vampire noble (maybe has zombie servants, and a basement filled with prisoners and victims). Legendary in fighting, dodging, and should ideally be dressed in fancy adamantine clothing (because where else are you gonna get it?). Best if the vampire is a historically significant fellow who came with a migrant wave.
Cursed City - A seemingly friendly town with a dark secret (just send in a were-adventurer and have him bite everybody there). There should be subtle hints that something is not right with this place.
Collapsible Fortress - Defeat the dungeon, pull the lever at the top, and watch as the entire fortress crumbles before your very eyes! Make sure this can be done without killing the adventurer, of course. You can use grates/bars/bridges to connect the non-collapsible part of the building.
Annoying Gauntlet - Nonlethal traps, trick levers, and pressure plates are scattered throughout the fortress for no reason other than to annoy the heck out of the adventurer, occasionally in places that might cause them to dodge off ledges and into precarious positions. Uses a bright and ludicrous color scheme.
Crazytown - End the fortress with as many insane dwarves as possible. Helps if you isolate them and temporarily disable their need for food and water (or vampinize them). Consider re-purposing hallways as minecart rollercoaster. Combine with 'Annoying Gauntlet' for maximum effect. (though I'm not sure how history will interact with insane dwarves in the next version).
The Breach - A ruined temple centered around what is literally a gigantic hole leading all the way from the surface to the underworld. Harder to pull off than it sounds. Perhaps have a sloping side so that it's possible to hike down to the bottom.

[Eric Blank]

Turning your entire fortress into vampires and driving them utterly mad is easier than growing plump helmets, and goes hand-in-hand with the "counts mansion" idea!

Also, I made some designs reminiscent of your "The Breach" idea in 40d. Basically I just made a massive square pit open to the surface and extending very deep into the ground.

[WillowLuman]

And bear in mind, we can just retire a fort with hundreds of vampires or whatever. Fun!

[SilverDragon]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Collapsible Fortress - Defeat the dungeon, pull the lever at the top, and watch as the entire fortress crumbles before your very eyes! Make sure this can be done without killing the adventurer, of course. You can use grates/bars/bridges to connect the non-collapsible part of the building.
Annoying Gauntlet - Nonlethal traps, trick levers, and pressure plates are scattered throughout the fortress for no reason other than to annoy the heck out of the adventurer, occasionally in places that might cause them to dodge off ledges and into precarious positions. Uses a bright and ludicrous color scheme.

I totally want to do that in my docks now, make a giant underground dungeon under it.
Edit: Think I have an idea for a community fortress. Huzzah!

[Spish]

^ Glad I could be of inspiration

Turning your entire fortress into vampires and driving them utterly mad is easier than growing plump helmets, and goes hand-in-hand with the "counts mansion" idea!

I never thought of assigning a whole bunch of war puppies to a specific person and killing them to force insanity, that's a good idea.
...I don't know how I inferred that from your post, but it happened.

A few more fortress concepts:

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The Watering Hole - A much-needed pit stop in an extremely inhospitable part of the world. Like, just before the DF2013SW equivalent of Mordor. Think "The Nexus" from Demon's Souls.
Spiderville - The baron of this once great mountain hall liked giant cave spiders... perhaps a little too much; he adopted an army of wild GCS and gave them all names. Long story short, these spiders are all that live in the fortress now.
(you can substitute any other cave creature for the GCS, but I guarantee it won't be as !!Fun!! for the adventurer!)
Tower of Glass - A castle/maze with hostile inhabitants where all the walls and floors are see-through. Bars, windows, fortifications, and supports make up as much of the construction as physically possible. Preferably above-ground so you can actually... you know... see stuff.
The Final Boss - I'm sure other people have thought of this, it's an obligatory part of the Mordor experience after all. Immortal vampire/demon-necromancer adventurer legendary in all combat skills, equipped with a pair of artifact weapons, a zombie/goblin/mercenary army, and his own private fortress. Wanted by every civilization, having been responsible for a whole lot of genocide.
End of the World - A cryptic structure located at the very tip of the most distant corner of the arctic world. One can only imagine what horrors await within.
(it can be so foggy in the arctic that you'll only be able to see 1 tile ahead of you before going underground, and your companions have a habit of "disappearing" along the way, it's spooky as hell )

[Eric Blank]

Hate that bloody fog. Needs reworked if you ask me. Good thing one of the new features in the next version is blood-vision; vampires will be able to detect warm bodies nearby.

[Yuli Vlasi]

Did somebody say 'FINAL BOSS'?
How about this: Somebody creates an adventurer and gives him a distinctive feature in form of unusual clothing or an awesome weapon. The creator of that adventurer won't tell anybody how the adventurer looks like, what skills he has, what race he is or what his actual name is. Instead, everyone refers to him as 'The Crimson Knight', because he wears a red cape or something like that.
 
Too make it short:
1) The Crimson Knight gets his own lair or castle, where he retires and waits for challengers to appear.
2) The challengers don't tell anybody anything about their adventurers. Like the it happened to be with the original knight, race, appearence etc. remain secret.
3) What happens in the lair stays in the lair. We don't tell each other if we defeated the knight or if we failed trying. We are only allowed to hint that we are attempting it, the outcome remains secret.
4) If the challengers adventurer succeeds he assumes the identity of the Crimson Knight by taking his clothes and equipment, nicknaming himself 'The Crimson Knight' and retiring.
5) When the challenger enters the lair he's not allowed to examine eventual corpes to find out how many knights were defeated.

No one knows who the Crimson Knight is. You don't know what you should expect. It could be a vampire, an elf or some guy dual-wielding adamantite socks.