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[majikero]

I don't get it, are you saying that security is bad?

[EnigmaticHat]

No no, that'd actually be a very good thing!  In America, we spend more money per prisoner in prisons than we do per student.  So re-zoning all our schools into maximum security prisons will significantly improve education.

This has been a depressing couple of days in general discussion.

[Silicoid]

I think we don't need more or less gun control-what we do need is more dwarven engineering in our schools.

We could:
-construct some sort of drawbridge sealing mechanism connected to a master control room to seal parts of the school off and trap the gunman
-levers in every classroom to seal it shut preventing said gunman from entering
-some sort of sticky gunk sprinkler system that gums up guns to prevent them from firing correctly
-war dogs in every school

[Loud Whispers]

I don't get it, are you saying that security is bad?

Oh nonsense! I believe children should be outfitted with tracking collars, escorted every day by government funded anti-goblin snatcher guards who attend them day and night without reprieve. They shall live in cells, surrounded by concrete and razor wire, tied to a trained war eagle who will fly them to school if they are under danger. The schools shall be great mountains of steel and state of the art defences, covered in observation posts and CCTV. And while we're at it we could also introduce mental security, and ensure children are only ever exposed to approved content.

[TheZoomZoll]

-war dogs in every school

[Sir Finkus]

Thing is, once a burglar is armed too, your grandma is figuratively screwed again, since physical fitness, in this case reaction time (as in who shoots first) is very much a factor again.

She still has a much better chance than if she was unarmed.  Especially since it's here home turf and she'd have a defensive advantage.

Not to mention the burglars will probably shoot her at first sight, if they have a good reason to assume she's armed. So instead of just getting robbed, she'd probably get herself killed. :/

If the burglar has good reason to assume she's armed, they'll go to the next house. 

I've heard of cases where people were drunk/high and they'd just beat on someone's door shouting threats.  It's actually happened to a family member.  Luckily, the police showed up in time in this case, but if they hadn't, who knows what would have happened.  I'd rather be able to deal with the situation myself rather then being at the mercy of someone who's out of his mind until the police arrive.

[Darvi]

Thing is, once a burglar is armed too, your grandma is figuratively screwed again, since physical fitness, in this case reaction time (as in who shoots first) is very much a factor again.

She still has a much better chance than if she was unarmed.  Especially since it's here home turf and she'd have a defensive advantage.

What defensive advantage?

[Loud Whispers]

If the burglar has good reason to assume she's armed, they'll go to the next house. 

Unless they too are armed. Unless your grandmother sleeps with her gun (already a ballsy, risky an heroic move) and actively prepares herself every day for said scenario, the advantage still goes to the burglar. They won't exactly wait for her to grab her gun and shoot, and if she goes for a gun they will shoot because what started as an attempted burglary now looks to be an attempt on their life.

What defensive advantage?

Granny's defence league standard weapon traps. Serrated discs - EVERYWHERE

[TheZoomZoll]

Granny's defence league standard weapon traps. Serrated discs - EVERYWHERE

[Sir Finkus]

Thing is, once a burglar is armed too, your grandma is figuratively screwed again, since physical fitness, in this case reaction time (as in who shoots first) is very much a factor again.

She still has a much better chance than if she was unarmed.  Especially since it's here home turf and she'd have a defensive advantage.

What defensive advantage?

She knows the layout of the house and doesn't have to move around.

...and the serrated disks

[Mictlantecuhtli]

She still has a much better chance than if she was unarmed.  Especially since it's here home turf and she'd have a defensive advantage.

If the burglar has good reason to assume she's armed, they'll go to the next house. 

That's simply not how it works. When people are going to rob someone, they'll typically bring a firearm unless they're meth heads without a plan. I speak from experience; having a gun doesn't do anything in a home invasion unless you happen to defend your house military-style at all times [or are lucky enough to be in a position to respond immediately to a threat]. I got out of my shower to my friends being held hostage at gunpoint in my basement, waiting for me to get out of the shower so they could rob us all at once. I own two rifles and I'm trained at self defence. I consider myself more than prepared; but often you do not want to give the criminals a reason to kill you. And I doubt your grandmother would handle such a situation as well as I did, without getting someone shot.

Telling people to fight fire with fire in such cases is argueably more dangerous, since you'd be losing your life or getting injured instead of simply losing stuff.


That's why the arguement is a good example of an Occam without a real answer. Simple may not be the best solution in the case of gun regulation. I advocate more people arming themselves, but it's a double edged sword in the case of violent robberies. Hence why the issue is such a tangled clusterfuck of opinion.

[misko27]

Thing is, once a burglar is armed too, your grandma is figuratively screwed again, since physical fitness, in this case reaction time (as in who shoots first) is very much a factor again.

She still has a much better chance than if she was unarmed.  Especially since it's here home turf and she'd have a defensive advantage.

What defensive advantage?

She knows the layout of the house and doesn't have to move around.

...and the serrated disks

Yes, because dwarven engineering is known for being kid-friendly.

[TheZoomZoll]

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Thing is, once a burglar is armed too, your grandma is figuratively screwed again, since physical fitness, in this case reaction time (as in who shoots first) is very much a factor again.

She still has a much better chance than if she was unarmed.  Especially since it's here home turf and she'd have a defensive advantage.

What defensive advantage?

She knows the layout of the house and doesn't have to move around.

...and the serrated disks

Yes, because dwarven engineering is known for being kid-friendly.

[XXSockXX]

When people are going to rob someone, they'll typically bring a firearm unless they're meth heads without a plan. I speak from experience; having a gun doesn't do anything in a home invasion unless you happen to defend your house military-style at all times [or are lucky enough to be in a position to respond immediately to a threat]

That's kind of what I pointed out a few pages ago. In countries with stricter gun laws, the average criminal will not have a gun, so you're not likely getting shot in a mugging, burglary, bar fight, domestic disturbance and such. Hell, even bank robbers often use fake guns here.

Still the whole gun restriction debate is pretty pointless since even if a US government would enact harsh gun restrictions (which is never going to happen anyway), there are so many guns in circulation that you would not notice the difference in decades. So we'll never know.

[Sir Finkus]

She still has a much better chance than if she was unarmed.  Especially since it's here home turf and she'd have a defensive advantage.

If the burglar has good reason to assume she's armed, they'll go to the next house. 

That's simply not how it works. When people are going to rob someone, they'll typically bring a firearm unless they're meth heads without a plan. I speak from experience; having a gun doesn't do anything in a home invasion unless you happen to defend your house military-style at all times [or are lucky enough to be in a position to respond immediately to a threat]. I got out of my shower to my friends being held hostage at gunpoint in my basement, waiting for me to get out of the shower so they could rob us all at once. I own two rifles and I'm trained at self defence. I consider myself more than prepared; but often you do not want to give the criminals a reason to kill you. And I doubt your grandmother would handle such a situation as well as I did, without getting someone shot.

Telling people to fight fire with fire in such cases is argueably more dangerous, since you'd be losing your life or getting injured instead of simply losing stuff.


That's why the arguement is a good example of an Occam without a real answer. Simple may not be the best solution in the case of gun regulation. I advocate more people arming themselves, but it's a double edged sword in the case of violent robberies. Hence why the issue is such a tangled clusterfuck of opinion.

That sucks, I'm glad nobody was hurt.

I think we could probably agree that sometimes having a gun would increase your chances of surviving an encounter, and that sometimes it would make things worse. 

The focus on robberies is misplaced I think.  There are dozens of other scenarios where someone has come into your house uninvited.