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[fqllve]

Again. What gun control law would have stopped this guy? He had no criminal record, so there goes background checks. Demand costly mental evaluations that wouldn't have caught Anders Breivik? What do you do?

Are you finally realizing that basically no one knows what to do and we're all grasping at straws in light of a tragedy here?

[Urist_McDrowner]

Again. What gun control law would have stopped this guy? He had no criminal record, so there goes background checks. Demand costly mental evaluations that wouldn't have caught Anders Breivik? What do you do?

Are you finally realizing that basically no one knows what to do and we're all grasping at straws in light of a tragedy here?

There's nothing to do except mourn with the families and send our thoughts and prayers to them.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

You all have been feeding the troll for almost ten pages now.

[Darvi]

Tanks may be legal, but that doesn't discredit Neonivek's post in any way. Because if they were cheap and affordable, that still wouldn't be a problem if they were illegal. It's the combination of the three that's important.

Also, I hate you so much right now. You keep nitpicking at people's posts and failing logic such as by insisting that since gun control isn't perfect, it shouldn't be enforced at all.

[Urist_McDrowner]

Tanks may be legal, but that doesn't discredit Neonivek's post in any way. Because if they were cheap and affordable, that still wouldn't be a problem if they were illegal. It's the combination of the three that's important.

Also, I hate you so much right now. You keep nitpicking at people's posts and failing logic such as by insisting that since gun control isn't perfect, it shouldn't be enforced at all.

So make guns really expensive, so rich white people can shoot up black neighborhoods?

Making them really expensive has the same effect as banning them. An illegal market will spring up to fill the void.

Gun control isn't making a difference. Look at this map.





Notice the correlation? It's certainly better than gun laws. Look at the brady scorecard. How come New Hampshire, Maine, and Vermont, having THE LOWEST homicide rates in the country, have so few gun laws? It's easier to get a gun there, according to the Brady Campaign, than in VA.

[Darvi]

You're saying that gun control makes no difference... and then provide a map of a nation notorious for its lack of gun control.

Yeah, I'm done here.

[TheZoomZoll]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Wow,the first guy was dedicated to the job.Sheesh.

[fqllve]

There's nothing to do except mourn with the families and send our thoughts and prayers to them.

I agree with that, but do you really expect everyone to? That's not at all how people work. They want to know this won't happen again or at least that they've taken measures mitigating it. And that isn't an unreasonable response.

Notice the correlation? It's certainly better than gun laws. Look at the brady scorecard. How come New Hampshire, Maine, and Vermont, having THE LOWEST homicide rates in the country, have so few gun laws? It's easier to get a gun there, according to the Brady Campaign, than in VA.

Because gun laws have little to no direct effect on violent crime rates. No one is saying that gun control is going to prevent crime, no one is saying that guns cause crime.

[Loud Whispers]

Again. What gun control law would have stopped this guy? He had no criminal record, so there goes background checks. Demand costly mental evaluations that wouldn't have caught Anders Breivik? What do you do?

Darvi's FTFY is answer enough.

Oh and by the way, as a Brit I can say gun crime is ridiculously rare here. Police fatalities come as a genuine shock. Ever since 1987 we've never heard of schizophrenics and psychopaths getting hold of guns - licensed or otherwise and starting massacres.
The black market argument is just painfully slow.
Your lax gun laws are funding the world black market. You already have a black market. Gun control would constrict that market to an entropic death.

[Urist_McDrowner]

You're saying that gun control makes no difference... and then provide a map of a nation notorious for its lack of gun control.

Yeah, I'm done here.

Look at the whole map. The top one is poverty. Bottom one is firearm assaults. POVERTY, not gun laws matches with firearm crime.

Look again at the three most northern New England states. Lower crime even than Europe. And they still have population density there.

[misko27]

More interestingly, is Illinois being liberal and completely gun shooting free. And Kentucky. Kentucky and south carolina have the highest across the board. And I think we all know how they feel about guns.
 
And NY is lower then the average, and the Liberal north in general, Hey wait, what was your point again? They have fewer gun laws, they also have the lowest OWNERSHIP.
 
That was frankly the worst argument put forward so far.

[penguinofhonor]

In Kentucky we almost passed a bill to resell all guns confiscated from crimes that the police didn't take. Because the communities with gun crimes need even more guns circulating through them.

[Owlbread]

But... are you guys actually contemplating banning handguns? As "liberals" or general advocates of gun control, what do you propose?

[Twi]

Bleh. I have trouble thinking about this topic, honestly.

Because I always come to the conclusion that before we argue about legal guns, we need to have a better handle on illegal ones. Gun control is useless if the guns aren't actually being controlled. And as a general rule, people willing to break the law to get a weapon tend not to be planning to do nice things with it.

[miauw62]

Did we compare Europe and America yet? Compare how many (non-police) shooting victims are in them respectively, to give a better view on the situation?
Just guessing that Europe probably has comparable population to America.