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[Owlbread]

Hear, hear.

A projected side-effect I still like to see: less powerful countries means that it'll become easier for some regions to become autonomous, perhaps even become member states. Basque, Catalonia, Vlaanderen, Wallonia, Brittany, Corsica, Padania, Fryslân, hell almost every region has it's separationist movements, some more than others, and the current contrived borders between countries can become more... fluid.

How could you neglect Scotland, Wales and Cornwall?

[Oliolli]

And Åland! I'm all for Åland's independence!

[Owlbread]

And Åland! I'm all for Åland's independence!

So true. Aland gu brath.

But yes, I am not entirely against European integration, just as long as Scotland is an independent entity within it. I would rather Scotland be a province on its own rather than a province of a province, as we may become if the British governments in years to come give up resistence and throw our lot in. In fact, it seems logical that within a USE Scotland would become an independent province. That's made a European Federation less scary for me. I wouldn't have a huge problem with representing Europe as long as my "other" country if you will is Scotland; I don't want to have to represent Scotland on a British level, Britain on a European level and Europe on the world level. My "true" identity would be on the bottom rung.

Another bonus is that huge unions like that are far easier to break out from if we had to, unlike small, strong unions like the UK. Plus, if it wasn't for the EU as it stands, the Scots leid would barely have any recognition. The USE would also never really work unless they appeased nationalists across the federation, so we would probably still be as Scottish as deep fried haggis and buckfast vomited all over an off-license doorway.

[scriver]

And Åland! I'm all for Åland's independence!

We all know what the Ålanders really want anyway - and Mother Svea waits for her to come home

[Helgoland]

I still wonder what will happen to Alsace-Lorraine/Elsass-Lothringia...

[da_nang]

And Åland! I'm all for Åland's independence!

We all know what the Ålanders really want anyway - and Mother Svea waits for her to come home

That's Brother Sweden, if you know what I mean... *winkwinknudgenudge*

[Siquo]

HA, called it! 

Catalonia now voted a majority for secession. It won't happen though, as they're more broke than Spain, currently...

[scriver]

What? No. The party which called the election failed to establish the majority they wanted before they would work for separation, in fact they lost mandates. While hypothetically they could majoritise together with another separatist party, I have heard nothing of them doing so, and find it a bit unlikely given that one is rightwing bourgeois and the other is described by our rightwing liberal papers as "radical leftwing".

Also, Catalonia is the economic motor of Spain. That's the main reason separation was brought up at this time - the Catalonians feel all they do is give money to Spain without getting anything in return.

[ChairmanPoo]

They'll most likely just bargain for economic benefits and call it a day. CiU's motives have always been suspect, and they all but admitted that they started rocking the boat to try to put pressure in the central goverment. Otherwise them and the ruling party have always been cozy. If you ask me the reason for CiU's loss of representation were their savage right wing policies (which they admitted sotto voice they would not change) in the last ten years, not their nationalism (supporting this is the fact that the *OTHER* nationalist parties have grown spectacularily). So yeah, it kind of looks like cutting a deal with the central goverment's party is more likely than a nationalist coalition.

[Siquo]

What? No. The party which called the election failed to establish the majority they wanted before they would work for separation, in fact they lost mandates. While hypothetically they could majoritise together with another separatist party, I have heard nothing of them doing so, and find it a bit unlikely given that one is rightwing bourgeois and the other is described by our rightwing liberal papers as "radical leftwing".

Still, all the separatist parties together have a majority.

Also, Catalonia is the economic motor of Spain. That's the main reason separation was brought up at this time - the Catalonians feel all they do is give money to Spain without getting anything in return.

True, except that Catalonia also has way more debt than Spain, and asked Madrid for a bailout just last August.

They'll most likely just bargain for economic benefits and call it a day.

This is most likely. Spain doesn't want to lose the region, but neither can the region do without Spain, yet.

It's just the start, though. This outcome will inspire other regions to re-assert separationist intentions. I'm just glad it doesn't involves bombs and guns, this time
For the non EU-residents, here's the TARRIST ATTACKS ZOMG chart of 2010:

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[DJ]

I think we should just go back to city states.

[Owlbread]

I think we should just go back to city states.

But what about places that don't have cities?

[scriver]

Tribal federations.

[Owlbread]

Tribal federations.

But how can you divide rural Perthshire populated by English immigrants from places like Peterborough and bloody Kent with no relation to one another, along with the Lowland migrants from places like Glasgow and Paisley again of no relation to one another, and finally the native families scattered around with little relation to one another into tribal federations?

[scriver]

Through blood.

* scriver sharpens axe.