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[QuakeIV]

Also for our new gift I propose we use it on the girl Vindel wanted

Its ironic because her loved her beauty

Oh, that's awesome.  We should definitely do that.  Something like set up a mock-wedding, and when he lifts the veil, BLAMMO!  SHE'S HIDEOUS!
He is, after all, a homicidal dickwad.

Excellent idea.


Also if we want to make a fear thrall to take over the world (or at least mess with the current power base), perhaps we should snag someone already in power for the task?  I think the elf girl would make a better gift to our wife than a political power.  This isn't modern times, its difficult as shit to get into power from the lower strata, which chances are the elf girl is a part of.

If the OP thinks society has changed to allow that to happen though then the elf girl is as good as any I think.

[Weirdsound]

Character:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Name: the Male Night Troll "My father says I earn a name when people fear me enough to give me one."

Physical Traits:
Movement is Impaired in Left Arm. Grasping is Impaired in Left Hand.
Tattooed Arms "Prevents me from getting magic fatigued as easily, and even helps out a bit with casting. Also: Fashionable."
Springy Legs "I wish I could fly, but being able to jump like a flea and kick peoples ribs in is the next best thing."
Camouflaged Body "I can be invisible... at a glance or at a distance."
Hypnotic Gaze "I'm good at disabling a mortal's self preservation instinct... not so good at predicting his actions once I do."

Skills:
Eon Manipulation (+4) "Eon Manipulation is a family tradition. I hope to someday be as good as my father..."
Stealth (+4) "They can't escape what they can't see!"
Dark Manipulation (+2) "The night is my birthright and my greatest ally..."
Night Creature Empathy (+1) "Because it pays to be friends with other night dwellers."
Communication (+1) "Even for one as hideous as myself, a silver tongue goes a long way!"

Inventory:
A cursed bracelet of plant reading [+1 when listening to plants] (Worn, right arm)
A Soul Catcher Necklace (Worn)
Alchemist's Work Outfit [Shirt, Apron, Pants] (Worn)
-An Elf Tooth Charm Necklace (In pocket)
-7 Fistfulls of Oak Ash (In pocket)
-1 Flask of Oil [4/5 Full] (In pocket)
-1 Flint Fire-starter Kit (In pocket)
-1 Pair of Forceps (In pocket)
-1 Handheld mirror (In pocket)
-2 Large Rubies (In Pocket)
-1 Human Stomach of Phyros [Magically Preserved] (In Pocket)
-1 Human Brain of Phyros [Magically Preserved] (In Pocket)
-1 Medium Sized Jar Labeled 'Ghost Pepper Jam' (In Pocket)
-1 Small Sack of Grey Powder Labeled 'Phoenix Ash' (In Pocket)
-1 Small Sack of Assorted Dragon Bits [Small Bones, Scales, Teeth, Ect] (In Pocket)
-1 Small Sack Labeled 'Warning: Gunpowder' (In Pocket)
-1 Book Titled 'Intro to the Inferno: The Scourge's Guide to Flame Manipulation' (In Pocket)
-1 Book Titled 'The Devil's Cookbook: Alchemy for Those Lacking in Moral Fiber' (In Pocket)
Thick Belt (Worn)
-1 Large Knife (Sheathed, Hanging from Belt)
-1 Saber (Sheathed, Hanging from Belt)
-1 Shovel (Hanging Awkwardly from Belt)
"I have to steal souls.... Eeeeeeeewwww...."

Perks:
Magic Perks
Budding Animal Empath: You will gain the animal empathy skill if you succeed in 1 animal empathy actions, or successfully study it in a book
Improving Eon Mage: Your Eon magic skill will increase if you succeed in 2 successful Eon Manipulation actions, or train extensively with a superior eon manipulator twice.
Time Displacement Specialist: Take a +1 to any attempt to send something foward in time.
Budding Fire Manipulator: You will gain the fire manipulation skill if you succeed in 2 fire manipulation actions or train with somebody who has it
Aspiring Water Manipulator: You will gain the water manipulation skill if you succeed in 6 water manipulation actions, or train extensively with somebody who has it
Aspiring Swordsman: You will gain the Armed Combat [Swords] skill if you succeed in 6 sword combat actions, or train extensively with somebody who has it
Fire Manipulation Utility Theory: You do not suffer an untrained skill penalty for using non-destructive fire magic
Fire Manipulation Combat Theory: You do not suffer an untrained skill penalty for using fire magic to destroy, kill, or maim
Bug Speaker: You do not suffer an untrained skill penalty for using animal empathy on bugs
Bird Speaker: You do not suffer an untrained skill penalty for using animal empathy on birds

Reproductive Perks
Mature: You are physically and mentally capable of converting and impregnating mates. To do so you must spend a "Gift" perk. "Gift" perks can be gained by rolling very high, learning new skills, or through other supernatural means. If you create a child it may be born with some traits of it's mother in addition to whatever gift you use to conceive it.
First Gift: Can be spent to convert or impregnate a mate. The night troll created will have your four physical features. Gifts that grant more than two traits are rare, so this may be worth saving for somebody special.
Gift of Puppetry: Can be spent to convert or impregnate a mate. The night troll created will be bound to follow your commands for as long as you both live. You will be made aware of any major changes to your puppet's health or location.
Gift of Hideousness: Can be spent to convert or impregnate a mate. The night troll created will appear so unatural and ugly that it will almost always elicit a powerful emotional response (typically fear, disgust, or anger) in any mortal who lays eyes on it.

Recipes:
Drought of Perception Blotting: Causes the drinker to become invisible to members of a single sentient race unless the drinker tries to get their attention or is pointed out to them.
-1 Brain of the Race you wish to be not noticed by
-1 Fistfull of ash from burned oak
-1 1 Large Mug of digestive juices from a mammal

Other Party Members:
Gwendolyn, the Night Troll Consort (Healthy, Unfamiliar with her own body)

Let's get back to the tower. We really really want that artifact, so we should feed Gwen and then see if she'll have a look at the chest.

Deciding not to waste time or risk discovery in town, you sneak around the outskirts and begin to head due south. After a few uneventful hours you manage to clear the forest. Sure enough you spot your tower in the distance.

The tower is a good handful of miles away, and you spot several camps and travelers between yourself and your destination on the flat plains. Since your hands are already full however you decide to leave them unmolested. You arrive back home a bit before dawn.

Encounter Roll: 1d20 = 10 - 3(No Navigation Skill) = 7

To your relief you find Gwendolyn and Rox have already arrived and are busy trying to encourage the Giant Lovebirds to nest on the tower roof.

Heading down to the dungeon you briefly ponder what to do with your victim. Gwendolyn has been a good consort so far, and likely deserves a first 'proper' meal sometime soon, however your morbid side would very much like to torture her with dark manipulation until she snaps completely.

For now however you just shut her in one of the cells and restrain her arms with proper chains. Fucking with her mind is a long term project and Gwendolyn is busy at the moment.

You know that Foghorn spent the night at the ranch, and would have to go all the way to his tower and back to yours to deliver Alice, so you doubt that is likely to happen today. You are not sure if the remaining children would tell the truth about what happened, but it seems a likely possibility. Time could very well be of the essence on claiming the chest.

"Home again, home again, jiggidy jig."

[Mlamlah]

Despite my disagreement with him earlier, in large part i *do* agree with GreatWyrmGold about needless evil. We are the very last breeding member of our kind, and we still aren't heavily prepared for the machinations of a skilled enemy or civilization that fully discovers and declares war against us. We need to play smart. However we also need to stay strong and healthy, and i believe it's likely that the terror and flesh of sentient beings goes along way towards that. Think of it this way; the reason certain things are so tasty to humans is because at a fundamental level the tasty things we eat are some of the things that organisms require the most, even if those things become bad for us simply because of how god damn complicated our bodies are. Thinking about it this way, maybe there is a biological/magical reason that we enjoy fear and the flesh of sentient beings so much, if it's hard wired into us there could well be a reason for it. So while i espouse caution and *yes* even compassion at times, i do think we should get our recommended daily intake of pain and suffering.

I think that we should stick to a certain philosophy about enchanting, personally i think that Grek's solution is a really awesome compromise because it still allows us to enchant with male souls, while still allowing us to maintain some of our cultural/spiritual values. I... also do not think we should torment and keep a crazy elf she-bitch in our basement, that seems like a bad idea in the long term. a) crazy elf she-bitches are not known for being predictable b) there is a certain danger that she could escape and/or otherwise contact aid c) i think it would be nice to reward our mate if she does a good job on that chest, or even beforehand, it's time we begin to teach her what it's like to be a night-troll.
Maybe we should drop off some of our junk? Maybe our books and the shovel at least, we don't want to damage the books and carrying this stuff around could get pretty awkward and/or otherwise a hindrance.




My vote summed up: Bring Gwendolyn to look at the chest quickly, don't steal the soul of our prisoner or otherwise turn her into a psychotic liability, drop off useless crap, give the elf as a temporary plaything and meal to Gwendolyn if she gets the chest open.

[Grek]

Yeah, not really sure why we would want to have a young, insane elven child as our servant. That doesn't sound helpful at all.

[Thecard]

Yeah, not really sure why we would want to have a young, insane elven child as our servant. That doesn't sound helpful at all.

Depends on the madness.  But yeah, she's pretty far gone.  And Gwen is probably going to be hungry...

[Corruptor]

Is the captured elf chick over 18? If so I think we should consider converting her, we have a few gifts. Can never have enough loyal consorts.

[Grek]

She's just a little kid.

[Corruptor]

Heh, nevermind then, Gwen-food.

[Mlamlah]

Even if she wasn't, overall she isn't particularly special, we should still save our gifts for those who are.

[GreatWyrmGold]

And on a side note... TAKE THAT Greatwyrm, from the combo of great rolls and being scary to children, we got gift of Hideousness

It was due to luck, which we would have had no matter what we chose, and hideousness is the worst gift I've seen so far.

What? You never heard of Powered by a Forsaken Child?

Ooh, it's like someone hitting you with your own sword! Ouch!  That's gotta hurt, man!

Not really. He can quote tropes all he likes, but without any sort of evidence it's meaningless. I haven't seen anything to suggest that child souls would be anything but younger, less mature souls.

Joke aside, I'm pretty sure we are here to be a typical night troll.  That includes the typical DF mythology, but there are other myths with night trolls in them.  I can't think of any of them being "nice."  It's just not who we are, and we can't run from it.  Doesn't mean we're an idiot, nor does it mean we should senselessly slaughter.  We're a thinking evil, the worst kind you can ever fight.  We're going to stack the deck, and our greatest asset really is fear.  We don't feel it, but all the civs, immortal or not, do.  And fear makes people do very stupid things.

Yes, because we've taken every opportunity to slaughter innocents and be generally an ass.

Simply, a thinking enemy is the hardest to fight.  That will be us.  The small child pissing their beds at night will be the Elves.  I don't imagine they would put up much of a fight.

They can think, too. And they outnumber us, have more magic and weapons than us, and include some of the only people to have ever seen a night troll before. Don't piss the elves off without a good reason.

Exactly my point... although we are compassionate for a night troll, we are a perversion of the night and thus should strike fear into the hearts of our enemies..

Instead of killing the young girl, use dark manipulation to give her frightening visions, the long and repeating kind that causes insanity

Compassionate?  We're evil.  We're just not stupid. 
But I do like your plan.  Perhaps a mixture of dark manipulation and hypnosis could drive her mad. 


We could use a mad elf in many ways:
Making her a subtle kind of mad, and really only break her deep down inside. Basically creating a fear-thrall.
Have her then either overthrow the government or the religion.  They are capable of calming the populace and forming hunts after us.  Of course, if Elves are a theocracy (I think I remember druids appointing queens, or vice-versa, but times have changed) then we could kill two birds with one stone.

We could use her as just a traveling spy, and get us some intel every once in a while.

We could use her to spread tales of fear.  Have her claim to her "friends" that the being who cursed them cursed her with some kind of foresight.  Maybe we could give her some kind of distinctive mark that way.  We can have her pretend to predict the future, and throw them off and make them fear an enemy, just the wrong one.  We can make her predictions come true from time to time using our magic, and using Leghorn's.  He'll help us with this plan because he has something to gain as well: infamy.  It's the reason he agreed to help us, so it makes sense he would go for it again.  We'll just have her tell listeners about a great sorcerer.  Hell, we can paint him as the good guy of this situation, and ourselves as the bad guy.  Then the Elves will side with Leghorn, and through him, us.  (This plan is actually my favorite.)


We could also break her completely, and make her completely mad.  Then have her wander a bit and cause fear that way.  It's kinda mindless evil though, I don't think it would do that much.
Or we could give her to our dear wife.


What do y'all think?  Any of these good?

Since we've already attacked them, I'd advise either killing her or letting her go free, able to tell them about the horrible creature we are.

Not truly compassionate, just compassionate for a night troll,

Meh. We're more compassionate than some people. Look at the contrasting treatments of Alice between us and Foghorn.

Also for our new gift I propose we use it on the girl Vindel wanted

Its ironic because her loved her beauty

Oh, that's awesome.  We should definitely do that.  Something like set up a mock-wedding, and when he lifts the veil, BLAMMO!  SHE'S HIDEOUS!
He is, after all, a homicidal dickwad.

I'm more concerned about the enslaving for some reason. Maybe it's because death frees the soul or some philosophical BS like that.

Despite my disagreement with him earlier, in large part i *do* agree with GreatWyrmGold about needless evil. We are the very last breeding member of our kind, and we still aren't heavily prepared for the machinations of a skilled enemy or civilization that fully discovers and declares war against us. We need to play smart. However we also need to stay strong and healthy, and i believe it's likely that the terror and flesh of sentient beings goes along way towards that. Think of it this way; the reason certain things are so tasty to humans is because at a fundamental level the tasty things we eat are some of the things that organisms require the most, even if those things become bad for us simply because of how god damn complicated our bodies are. Thinking about it this way, maybe there is a biological/magical reason that we enjoy fear and the flesh of sentient beings so much, if it's hard wired into us there could well be a reason for it. So while i espouse caution and *yes* even compassion at times, i do think we should get our recommended daily intake of pain and suffering.

Thanks. I'm glad to know others sometimes think of me as the voice of reason.

My vote summed up: Bring Gwendolyn to look at the chest quickly, don't steal the soul of our prisoner or otherwise turn her into a psychotic liability, drop off useless crap, give the elf as a temporary plaything and meal to Gwendolyn if she gets the chest open.

+1

Is the captured elf chick over 18? If so I think we should consider converting her, we have a few gifts. Can never have enough loyal consorts.

18 is, like, 5 in elf years. Yes, she's over 18. No, she's probably not over elf!18.

Even if she wasn't, overall she isn't particularly special, we should still save our gifts for those who are.

+1. Unless we somehow get a gift surplus.

[Gamerlord]

What? You never heard of Powered by a Forsaken Child?

Ooh, it's like someone hitting you with your own sword! Ouch!  That's gotta hurt, man!

Not really. He can quote tropes all he likes, but without any sort of evidence it's meaningless. I haven't seen anything to suggest that child souls would be anything but younger, less mature souls.

It's my belief that the use of a child soul would greatly increase the potency of dark manipulation magic because of fear. Also There may or may not be a time limit on how long souls last. Child souls may well last longer.

[GreatWyrmGold]

What? You never heard of Powered by a Forsaken Child?

Ooh, it's like someone hitting you with your own sword! Ouch!  That's gotta hurt, man!

Not really. He can quote tropes all he likes, but without any sort of evidence it's meaningless. I haven't seen anything to suggest that child souls would be anything but younger, less mature souls.

It's my belief that the use of a child soul would greatly increase the potency of dark manipulation magic because of fear. Also There may or may not be a time limit on how long souls last. Child souls may well last longer.

Well, it's all speculation. Let's assume child souls are exactly like adult souls until we hear from the GM, okay?
I still think the immaturity and distractability of child souls would make them less potent.

[Thecard]

Oh, I can imagine the confused human travelers now:
"I swear, she said she was over 18!"

[Mlamlah]

There's actually some evidence to suggest a child's soul is *less* potent, as it's already been shown that experience and power in certain areas of expertise can increase the power of enchantment in that area as well.

[javierpwn]

Women would be married of at the age of 11 in medieval times, usually to an older man