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[Neonivek]

What do proper tomatoes actually taste like?

I mean a taste based seed and grown to proper ripeness.

[Rolan7]

That's an odd question, and I wish I could tell you.  My father has several cherry-tomato plants, and they're pretty amazing.
They're mostly like the store-bought kind I guess, but maybe slightly tangy?  And just... more *taste*, such that you can savor each one instead of a couple at once.
I don't know much about taste, though.  It's possible they just taste better warm from the sun, instead of chilled.

He grows normal tomatoes, too, and they're a similar deal.  Considerably smaller than what the store sells, yet definitely have more taste.  It's like the store tomatoes are inflated with water, heh.

[GiglameshDespair]

What do proper tomatoes actually taste like?

I mean a taste based seed and grown to proper ripeness.

Like tomatoes

[Egan_BW]

fukin delicious

[Hanslanda]

What do proper tomatoes actually taste like?

I mean a taste based seed and grown to proper ripeness.

(Activating Produce Guy Mode)
Real, good tomatoes should be not red for one. Yellow varietals have the most flavor to me. They should be a sweet, acidic/tangy, very slightly umami flavor, in that order. Red tomatoes are generally salty, with minor acidic flavor and no sweetness. They grow red tomatoes to sell well, not taste good.

[hops]

Pretty sure there's no such thing as a "proper" vegetable taste. It depends on what cultivar you refer to, and in extension which culture because cultivars tend to be based on that culture's taste. Different cultivars of the same type can taste wildly different, for example watermelons.

[Neonivek]

WHOOP! Looks like I answered my own question on whether the new Ghostbuster advertised gender politics...

The answer was OOHHH yeah, they were not even subtle and they weren't even non-antagonistic. So yeah, people were not delusional.

So yeah they kind of dug their own graves there. It wasn't people inventing controversy... Shame.

Though I guess they could have been trying to do what the Passion of the Christ did, which was invite controversy to encourage viewing. Double bonus because the new Ghost Busters movie itself didn't have any of the politics.

[Rolan7]

I mean, recreating the first movie but genderswapped wasn't meant to be a safe neutral cash-in, no.  I actually bought a physical copy but haven't gotten around to watching it, since my friends were pretty unanimous that it wasn't entertaining.  I still like the idea though.  Since they're going to keep making shitty remakes, they might as well add zany twists.

Though it did fail at the box office apparently, despite everyone talking about it...  Not sure how that happened.  Maybe there is such a thing as bad press after all?  (glances at White House)

Keeping in mind the "controversy" was highest before anyone actually saw the movie, heh.  Maybe that's why people didn't bother to see it, the movie itself was basically irrelevant.

[Neonivek]

I originally asked the question to see if it was controversy conjured by the public PURELY because the movie gender swapped the leads.

OR if something ANYTHING in the movie or in its marketing attracted attention to the fact.

What I found after research was that while the movie itself doesn't really have any feminist (or anti-feminist) overtones...

HOLY COW! Did the director pull some crazy crud before the movie was even in theaters and directly antagonized people who didn't like the trailers.

My hope when I originally asked the question was that: No, it is completely the public's bias that created the controversy and nothing the movie, the people involved, or the PR spurned this on. Unfortunately my hopes were dashed and dashed hard.

[Aklyon]

So basically: Genderswap your remakes if you wish, but argue intensely about it at your PR's peril?

[Egan_BW]

Do it, but make it impossible to tell from the trailers and don't tell anyone until it's out.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Rule Zero: You can get away with anything if it's interesting. NuGhostbusters is a bad movie outside the gender politic, it's just that the director's implementation of gender politic was an identifiable warning sign.

[Egan_BW]

Having seen the movie, I don't know why people keep saying it's bad. Didn't blow my mind or anything, but it was pretty alright.

[Frumple]

You'd certainly have my support for 63ing all sorts of stuff. You gotta' be thorough if you're doing movies, though. Not just main characters. Everyone. Even the supporting staff. If you're basing it off an old movie you go back to that old movie, check the gender ratio of the extras, and invert it. You check and flip the friggin' birds in the background, to the extent possible. If you're localizing it in a language with gendered word junk, you flip all of that, too, and to hell with how incomprehensible it becomes.

Rule 63 that sucker to the hilt, and then get a rotary saw and get that hilt past the legal limitations of impalement.

[Rolan7]

You jest, but I loved the "mirror" phase Nintendo games went through.  Metroid Prime 2, Twilight Princess...
Not saying that Rule 63 is a "dark", heh, much less a bad.  I just really like stories about any sort of symmetry.  Another good example is stories which take the "bad" side and humanize them.

I really would like to see more genderswapped remakes, in particular, just as an exploration of expectations.  Too bad it's too "interesting", in the risky way, to get another AAA attempt for a decade or two.