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Total Members Voted: 20

[GreatWyrmGold]

Okay, there's several major issues with the robot cat idea. It's moronic, it relies on the president of China liking cats, and how are we going to get a cat with a nuclear self-destruct button past customs?

[TopHat]

With all those added extras, the cat would probably cost more than the space elevator thing.
That's another point: money. The space shuttle cost $1.5billion per flight. How will we get that much money?

[misko27]

Money. Well, we don't technically need money, we just need enough of the constituent parts that we can make one ourselves. This will still be expensive, and our top scienists are working oon it. Current progress says: Sell Juice. Or space tourism.

I personally say we hoodwink some investors, like in jurrasic park, except for the part where we are eaten. Plus, we know there is a market for it, so, we can bust some heads.

[brainfreez]

we could take a real cat and place a mind control device in its brain , then bring the cat to the president of China and let the cat adopt him .
then  force the president to give us money and slaves .

[GreatWyrmGold]

Money. Well, we don't technically need money, we just need enough of the constituent parts that we can make one ourselves. This will still be expensive, and our top scienists are working oon it. Current progress says: Sell Juice. Or space tourism.

I personally say we hoodwink some investors, like in jurrasic park, except for the part where we are eaten. Plus, we know there is a market for it, so, we can bust some heads.

First off: It's space tourism AND sell juice. Made from real Lunar oranges! Or apples, if you prefer apple juice, but that's not important.
Second: Hammond wasn't deceitful, he just showed off his little elephant and made vague promises about an awesome park that would be opening in a few years. We can do the same, except without the elephant or the secrecy. "We're starting this neat-o lunar resort, with spaceflight cruises of a few hours for our less absurdly wealthy clients. Who wants to invest in the most potentially profitable industry since computers?"

[10ebbor10]

With all those added extras, the cat would probably cost more than the space elevator thing.
That's another point: money. The space shuttle cost $1.5billion per flight. How will we get that much money?

We allow X rich and important peope with us. (People pay a lot for spacetourism.) Hostages and Money in one trip.

Note that I'm trying to reduce costs, by having a single orbiter fly back and forth to Mars. And refueling on Mars using selfproduced rocket fuel. It's still going to cost a lot though.

((Assuming we can steal some of SpaceX's rockets, it's still going to cost us at least 2000 dollar per kg.(Minimum load per orbiter flight is around 20000 kg, because that's us. ))

[GreatWyrmGold]

Let's try to avoid stealing big, expensive things. We really don't want law enforcement to come down on us before we even get to Mars...
Maybe we can get a government grant.

[brainfreez]

if its a regular juice it costs 2$.
if its a moon or space juice it costs 20$.
if its a space juice from fruits grown on mars or moon it costs 50 - 100$.

assuming that regular mortals won't get to enjoy the space cruise , only people with huge money bags will be allowed and it will make the prices acceptable .

[10ebbor10]

if its a regular juice it costs 2$.
if its a moon or space juice it costs 20$.
if its a space juice from fruits grown on mars or moon it costs 50 - 100$.

assuming that regular mortals won't get to enjoy the space cruise , only people with huge money bags will be allowed and it will make the prices acceptable .

I propose you add another zero or two to those numbers. As it is now you can't even cover the launch costs for the juice.

[brainfreez]

yes , yes i can .

[GreatWyrmGold]

if its a regular juice it costs 2$.
if its a moon or space juice it costs 20$.
if its a space juice from fruits grown on mars or moon it costs 50 - 100$.

assuming that regular mortals won't get to enjoy the space cruise , only people with huge money bags will be allowed and it will make the prices acceptable .

Since it costs a crapton to ship fruit or juice up from Earth, how about $20-30, tops, for juice? Grown locally on Luna, and organically to help justify the price tag. Besides, there wouldn't be ant bugs or weeds in the fields, so we wouldn't need herbicides or insecticides anyways.

[Helgoland]

brainfreez - I was referring to Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad

(And if occupation during WWII meant being part of Germany now, something major would be wrong :/ )

[10ebbor10]

FYI Bringing stuff up from the Earth costs 2000 dollar per kg. Even with a space elevator that will be at least a hundred dollars.

While bringing stuff from the moon to the Earth is cheaper, we still need to pay for the lunar take off and the landing craft. Never underestimate the human ability to pay for useless things. A price of a thousand dollars isn't to be laughed at. (If you're selling it on the moon to space tourist I would go for space wine and such luxuries. Sell for way more money.)

[GreatWyrmGold]

So...If an average person weighs around 100 kg, and they can bring up to 50 kg of cargo for the voyage, that's...$300,000 just to bring them up. We could easily charge over a million dollars per person per trip, without even accounting for them buying stuff while they're there!
Obviously, most of what we sell should be made on Luna. Cheaper, and we can charge more--win-win!

[10ebbor10]

So...If an average person weighs around 100 kg, and they can bring up to 50 kg of cargo for the voyage, that's...$300,000 just to bring them up. We could easily charge over a million dollars per person per trip, without even accounting for them buying stuff while they're there!
Obviously, most of what we sell should be made on Luna. Cheaper, and we can charge more--win-win!

Guess what the Russians are doing...

Also, 2000 is the cheapest freight transport . People are much more expensive.