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[penguinofhonor]

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[Sheb]

Ok, I just finished the whole series. (Man I should have been studying).

What's the deal with the show progressivism? I mean, apart from having a female lead character/decent female characters?

[Neonivek]

Ok, I just finished the whole series. (Man I should have been studying).

What's the deal with the show progressivism? I mean, apart from having a female lead character/decent female characters?

They intentionally wrote it to be progressive. At least that is what the creators say, how much of that is true is beyond me, is that they honestly went out and went "ok how can we do something progressive today". Either that or they were just giving themselves congratulatory pats on the back.

Which in a rare instance it actually worked out... ignoring ratings.

Ok not that rare... but rare for a serious story.

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OR do you mean with Korra being a female because believe it or not... they didn't just do that.

They actually had to do a lot of tests to make sure that a female avatar wouldn't make the show unpopular.

AS WELL it isn't unprecedented in Avatar because Kitara was one of the fan favorites and Korra actually acts a lot like her.

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AS WELL the creators are actually great writing progressive plotlines and characters and are skilled in doing so.

[Sheb]

Well, what else did they do?

[Neonivek]

Well, what else did they do?

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They had a sort of not really, because of the censors, homosexual relationship that only exists in Word of God form.

I say not really because they never actually had a single romantic scene in the entire series. It is just implied and alluded to "subtly" enough that it can go either way

And YES the word of god still bugs me... They couldn't leave it ambiguous OR complete the stories arc within the story... it had to be a "By the way they are totally together".

Then get told by a bunch of people "well it was obvious wasn't it? She said she would be sad if Korra died" and I am like "Yeah, because she is her only close friend at this point. She doesn't even talk to Mako or Boulin"

[Sheb]

What? Korra and

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Asami? Because AFAIK, it's only hinted in the very last minute of the very last episode and plays no role whatsoever in the whole story.

[Neonivek]

What? Korra and

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Asami? Because AFAIK, it's only hinted in the very last minute of the very last episode and plays no role whatsoever in the whole story.

Yeah you got it.

It is because of one line.

[Sheb]

Dang, I didn't know making a progressive show was that easy.

[Neonivek]

Dang, I didn't know making a progressive show was that easy.

Well to admit I am not being fair there are exactly two lines that hint at this being the case (outside word of god)

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1) Korra mentions that she still sent mail to Asumi because she is easier to talk to then Mako (who is judgemental and broke up with her) and Baolin (who is a dummy)
AND
2) Asumi said she would be devastated if Korra died

Outside of that they share no romantic scene, no romance at all, and barely spend time together. Their agreement to spend time together being about needing time away from the world, and not about sharing it together or spending time together or getting to know eachother better.

Where as when they wanted to imply that Mako and Korra were falling inlove they had that whole heat wave scene. Korra and Asumi? Off screen letter writing. The magic is in the air!

Don't mind me I am only bugged by word of god. (no really that is it... I thought it was actually handled very well in the actual ending, more then I make it sound)

There are some instances where I think Word of God should be quiet.

[Zangi]

Mind you, they are probably more afraid of the network choosing to sideline the whole thing cause the homosexuality(protect the childrens!). 
They may also already be tiptoeing the line before that?  Season 4 started airing by internets, before it was on tv if I remember right...

Personally, I'm totally fine if they had left the ending alone.  People can either assume: Best Friends Forever or will turn into romance... something left to the imagination of its fans.  Or spin-off comics(or something similar) of the adventures of Korra and Asumi in the spirit world.

[Neonivek]

I want them to leave the ending alone, it is the superior ending that way.

Though you are right they actually couldn't have shown a kiss or clearer signs because it would make the show rating higher then their block.

Also they completed Season 4 before it was moved to the internets.

[Zangi]

Kinda weird when they can show hetero relational smooching in a kids block, but would get higher ratings for other type of relational smooching.

...  Where do I even look up this rating stuff?  My google-fu with this particular stuff is weak, so I found something on TV Tropes, 'The Hays Code'...  It seems relevant at a cursory glance.

[WillowLuman]

Looking back, the two had a fair bit of chemistry, though said chemistry wasn't necessarily romantic. Like most problems with the show, it can be fairly blamed on the network (the only problem I can think of atm that's certainly the creator's fault was insisting on the teen love triangle subplots.)

[Bauglir]

Looking back, the two had a fair bit of chemistry, though said chemistry wasn't necessarily romantic.

Precisely this. It wasn't until we were over halfway through season 4 that I thought the shippers had any ground to stand on, and even that was due to narrative structure of a scene more than any particular quality of interaction between the two. Still, it's hardly the "out of nowhere" some critics make it out to be.

[Sheb]

True, although one could discuss the interest of adding a new romance 75 seconds before the end, except maybe as a nod to the shippers. It would have been nice to actually tell something about it.