[ohai everyone. Busy day yesterday, so I've some catching up to do. Very glad to see so much activity, even if it means more for me to look over!]
By line:
-Yes. It's Day 1, anyone who says their reasoning isn't weak is deluding themselves. If someone had a rock-solid case we wouldn't have a split vote, we'd have someone on the end of a rope.
-I'm saying that scum normally have their shit together more than that. Even in a beginner's name, I wouldn't expect a scum to manage to cram his foot so far down his own throat.
-I am. I'm not exactly fresh off the bus, and I understand the value of a D1 lynch in a vanilla game like this, but I'm not going to make the townie's best decisions for them. If it managed to go through the entire weekend, all of Monday, and most of today (until you broke the tie) without anyone stepping up to the plate, then I'll let it ride.
-I don't see how soliciting opinions is scummy at all. I thought I saw a scumtell, and I wanted to see if anyone else saw what I saw.
Okay, I'll respond likewise:
-Yes, granted, there's usually going to be less to go on D1 as opposed to later in the game. However, calling your reasoning "weak" sends off the vibe of "I'm scum and can't get anything better but I *really* want to lynch this person" to me at least. [Also, think about what happens if that person gets lynched and the other players look at why you voted them. If they flip scum, people may be inclined to think you got lucky and are a poor scumhunter. If they flip town, they may think the previous at best, or think you're scum at worst.]
-Again, don't assume competency level of the scumteam. You will be surprised at how good/bad both town and scum can be. [To me, arguments about competence only really work when you know a particular player's playstyle well. i.e. if someone is a known strong player and they do something seemingly really dumb ...]
-So step up to the plate yourself? If you want whomever you're voting for lynched, then keep building a case against them so that everyone else looks at it and goes "gee, Hapah's got a point, that person really *is* scummy!" and votes who you are voting.
-If your argument is strong, others will notice it on thier own. If you feel you have to call attention to it, then you're either a) doing it wrong, or b) scum trying to show off how town you look.
C.) Your last four (four!) posts have been attacking me. I admire your dedication, really, but you haven't so much as glanced at anyone else since last Friday. I answered your questions as best I could; if you're not happy with the responses, that's fine. But following up every one of my posts with an attack on me seems a bit excessive.
[Generally speaking, tunneling in and of itself isn't a scumtell.]
Jim: What happened to Scelly9 and zomara0292 in the replace queue? And doesn't Dr. Phibes still need a replacement?
[Gurgh. Lots of posts. I'm just going to respond to points as I go and quote only if I need to.]
[Hapah@123: Typically RVS votes don't have much "weight" behind them, but when it's clear that the voting is switching from RVS to "pressure" or "lynch" people tend to react to that more.]
[borno@125: Caution yourself against trying to pick out the scumteam early, especially before scum has flipped, and extra especially on D1. It's almost always a bad idea.]
[Hapah@127: I was more referring to alternatives to RVS altogether if I recall correctly. Like starting of D1 with a massclaim in a role-heavy game, or some manner of insane gambit (like doing something blatently scummy and peg whoever tries to go for the easy lynch as scum). Neither has generally worked terribly well, so we stick with RVS.]
Supercharazad@130: Here's a little mental exercise. Put yourself in borno's position. Would you act the same way borno is if you were town? If you were scum? [This is a good thing to do in general, by the way.]
Flying Dice@131: Can you clarify what makes you feel that borno is "redirecting suspicion onto Jiokuy"?
[Jiokuy@136: That's a fair amount of time away "studying". I hope to see you applying your newfound knowledge. Additionally, I'm more of a "sit back and analyze" player myself, but you have to break out of that somewhat in these kinds of games. Also, try not to refer to page numbers, as not all of us show the same number of posts per thread. To me, we're only on page three. There's been a lot said, especially lately. You have more than enough to work with in front of you. Finally, be bold! You're here to learn, so try and pressure anyway. The ICs will critique and correct if necessary.]
Hapah@139: Hum. Well, that explains some things.
unvote while I re-evaluate everything going on here.
Supercharazad: Another mental exercise: What if borno flips town? What will your thoughts be then?