EBWOP:What lies. In order for you to be town, what must I be lying about?
Besides the obvious one.
What, isn't the obvious one enough? You lying about being town would explain everything, yes? But lying about the protection would do it as well, wouldn't it? You don't even need to be scum for that, merely anotha brotha from anotha motha. Or a lyncher with me as a target. Or a number of other combinations.
Possibly, if you don't have a buddy,[...] So why would you fakeclaim your danger scroll in hopes of being attacked, [...] as you wouldn't be attacked but would have a very good chance of being targeted by a townsperson? [...] if he flips town, [...] Not if scum is lynched [...] why would you have done that instead of outing lying scum? [...]
Oh gods, who is now drowning the thread with speculation? I thought you were against that? This is a bottomless well of wine.
as it would almost certainly have led to the death of a townie if it hadn't been revealed.
Not so. A townie would be much more likely to be protected, which would save them. A scum would be far less so. Plus I thought it likely that townies who wanted to target me would have done that already before then, and if I had caught the scum with it, the game would either be over anyway, or the choice for leftover buddy pretty clear. Not without risk, surely, but I'm not a cautious fellow, and the potential gains were huge.
I have repeatedly stated and explained (and you have repeatedly ignored) how if Jack's lying then you're at the same time both cross-aligned scum with Jack and expressly interested in his survival. So how is Jack lying at all likely?
How have I been expressly interested in his survival? This makes no sense.
Yes, of course. Trust nobody, not even confirmed townies. WHY THE FUCK WOULD A TOWNIE LIE.
Absolutely. Ask Hapah. One should never assume in this game that people aren't lying, regardless of alignment. People, even townies, may lie as a gambit or trap, or to seek reactions/counterclaims, or by accident (technically a mistake rather than a lie, but still an untruth), or because they panicked under pressure (yeah, even townies do that, and Native panicked badly), or for any number of other reasons. That's why scumhunting is important: to find the
motivation behind people's words.
That's what reveals alignment, not whether they have or have not bent the truth in one way or another.
Tell me, if he flips town are you going to try to claim he's a death anti-miller again?
I never "tried to claim" Native was a death miller, please don't put words in my mouth. I asked the question. If Jack happens to flip town (which I doubt), I would not ask the same question again, since Toaster already answered it. If I hadn't thought about it asking it earlier and it seemed a possibility, sure. Question your assumptions and all that.
You are being disingenuous scum. I never claimed "100% certainty", as you did. I word accusations as accusations, otherwise they don't pressure.
And you are being backtracking scum. It is entirely possible to make accusations that include (but do not declare) the possibility of you being wrong. For instance, not definitively stating "you are scum." You did.
So, when you are saying you are "100% certain" I'm scum, you're just as certain as when you told MrD and Native that they were scum as well? Good to know.
Scum is at least one of these two, and likely both.
Please explain exactly why you believe I could be solo scum. Otherwise, you're forgetting your own premise from directly above - that Jack is scum and possibly me.
Because people acting scummy and revealing their motivations trumps the convoluted speculation about claims and counterclaims and who may be lying about what, since you can never be 100% certain (well,
you can). You have acted very very scummy, therefore I feel very justified in saying you are scum. As to how that fits together with Jack's, it may be a matter of 3rd parties (brother/mafia-ally) or some other faction weirdness at work, or it may be something else.
I will grant, however, that you being scumbuddies is more likely than you being solo scum. If you are not buddies, then it's more likely he's Tiruin's buddy and you are a different sort of ally. But I can't rule you as solo scum out, given how horrendously scummy you've acted. It may just be incorrect assumptions or a failure of imagination to come up with the correct scenario.
Also, for the case of Jack and I trying to safely use the danger scroll, why did that not occur to you immediately? Why wait all this time to bring it up?
I never thought of it. That was Hapah. When I read it I thought "yeah, good point", but I didn't even bring it up. Your tunneling is making you trip over yourself, dude. Watch out, it may look scummy.