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[narhiril]

To narhiril:
Bring it on. I'll find a way to kill the things somehow.

To Ramirez:
I like your idea with the syndrome, and if I can figure out how syndromes and transformations work then it would be perfect.

I guess I'll start workin on it tonight.

Jagged crystal dragon...  Preliminary test results.

Test #1...  JCD versus 10 skilled axedwarves in full steel.  JCD wins 5/5 times.
Test #2...  JCD versus 10 skilled axedwarves in full steel with damascus steel battleaxes.  JCD wins 2/5, taking a few with it during the failures.
Test #3...  JCD versus 5 damascus sentinels.  JCD wins 5/5 times.

Test #4...  JCD versus 1 damascus arbiter.  JCD is chipping away at it when the arbiter decides to pick the damn thing up and hurl it against a wall about 10 tiles away, blowing it into a half billion pieces.  Still picking up crystals...

I might tone these down just a tad, but they're pretty close to where I want them.  If you're damn good and damn patient, you might even be able to catch and use them as war animals (they take 20 years to mature though).

[Vanaheimer]

Hmmm...

So a zerg rush is unlikely to be effective, and unless my army is candy clad and legendary I should expect heavy casualties.

The simple way would be an engineered cave in trap using a random door or workshop as bait, the more fun way be to bait it with a peasant and throw in a large force (I'm thinking at least triple what you tested with) of steel clad axedwarves and a smaller cluster of spear dwarves (perhaps 15) also in steel with the best weapons I can muster.

I'd say that'd do it.

[Splint]

Or they'd simply last longer than 40 seconds.

[Vanaheimer]

Or they'd simply last longer than 40 seconds.

If ten steel clad and damascus steel armed axe-dwarves can take it down 3 times out of 5, a 45 strong force with much the same quality equipment will take it down. Maybe not casualty free, but they will take it down.

[Vanaheimer]

Okay.... work actually began tonight. Here's what I have so far:

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[CREATURE:BALROG]
[DESCRIPTION:A demon of the ancient world, created by a long forgotten enemy to wage war on all free peoples. The blades and whips it wields are constructed of a cursed fire, and are very powerful.]
[NAME:Balrog:Balrogs:Balrog]
[CASTE_NAME:Balrog:Balrogs:Balrog]
[INTELLIGENT][CAN_LEARN]
[BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:5FINGERS:5TOES:MOUTH:GENERIC_TEETH_WITH_LARGE_EYE_TEETH]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:50000000]
[CREATURE_TILE:'B']
[BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
[NO_DIZZINESS][NOPAIN][NO_NASUEA][NOFEAR]

I admit to being a modding noob... I have no clue what needs to be done from this point.

[Deon]

Rather than making a new creature from scratch, better take an existing one and modify it. This way you won't miss important tokens and it's much faster if you're new.

[Vanaheimer]

Rather than making a new creature from scratch, better take an existing one and modify it. This way you won't miss important tokens and it's much faster if you're new.

...probably a good idea yes. :lol:

[Jilladilla]

Hmmm...

So a zerg rush is unlikely to be effective, and unless my army is candy clad and legendary I should expect heavy casualties.

The simple way would be an engineered cave in trap using a random door or workshop as bait, the more fun way be to bait it with a peasant and throw in a large force (I'm thinking at least triple what you tested with) of steel clad axedwarves and a smaller cluster of spear dwarves (perhaps 15) also in steel with the best weapons I can muster.

I'd say that'd do it.

until you run into a rift warden,
who, if im interpreting these creature definition tokens properly... well... good luck winning that fight without a cave-in!
(but thats cheating!)

how they die during world gen is a mystery... world-gen must ignore certain things...

(arena testing results: OH GOD THE NOOBS HAD TO HAVE USED CAVE-INS!)
not even gonna say the results... it's too terrifying...

if you want the results... i could tell you... i guess...

[Vanaheimer]

Hmmm...

So a zerg rush is unlikely to be effective, and unless my army is candy clad and legendary I should expect heavy casualties.

The simple way would be an engineered cave in trap using a random door or workshop as bait, the more fun way be to bait it with a peasant and throw in a large force (I'm thinking at least triple what you tested with) of steel clad axedwarves and a smaller cluster of spear dwarves (perhaps 15) also in steel with the best weapons I can muster.

I'd say that'd do it.

until you run into a rift warden,
who, if im interpreting these creature definition tokens properly... well... good luck winning that fight without a cave-in!
(but thats cheating!)

how they die during world gen is a mystery... world-gen must ignore certain things...

(arena testing results: OH GOD THE NOOBS HAD TO HAVE USED CAVE-INS!)
not even gonna say the results... it's too terrifying...

if you want the results... i could tell you... i guess...

No need, I'm off to check now.

Edit:

...shit. One rift warden versus a dragon and 3 Devourers. Warden wins, then dies a few ticks later. Warden versus a Damascus Arbiter, warden nearly wins then gets thrown in to a wall and explodes.

Aloow me to repeat: ...shit.

[Jilladilla]

look in spoiler for basic results... if you want to be utterly shocked...

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try one warden vs 10 CANDY ARMED AND ARMORED DWARVES

warden won without a scratch...

they seem to be impervious to conventional means...

also... i saw it play golf with the dwarves....

did the same warden vs 24 dwarves, was a lot slower, due to the warden "arming" himself with a candy mail shirt, and using that instead of his awesome blade (or should i say "golf club"?)...
did i mention that candy swords couldn't do anything through his armor? (they were the good LFR shiny swords too...)
and its blade more or less ignores 3 candy mail shirts with a candy breastplate

heck i even pitted rift warden vs many emberlights for the heck of it... warden won (again)

HOW THE HECK DO THESE GUYS DIE?!?

[Schizotek]

look in spoiler for basic results... if you want to be utterly shocked...

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try one warden vs 10 CANDY ARMED AND ARMORED DWARVES

warden won without a scratch...

they seem to be impervious to conventional means...

also... i saw it play golf with the dwarves....

did the same warden vs 24 dwarves, was a lot slower, due to the warden "arming" himself with a candy mail shirt, and using that instead of his awesome blade (or should i say "golf club"?)...
did i mention that candy swords couldn't do anything through his armor? (they were the good LFR shiny swords too...)
and its blade more or less ignores 3 candy mail shirts with a candy breastplate

heck i even pitted rift warden vs many emberlights for the heck of it... warden won (again)

HOW THE HECK DO THESE GUYS DIE?!?

Slade maul with a legendary hammer dwarf. Watch it explode.

[Jilladilla]

look in spoiler for basic results... if you want to be utterly shocked...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

try one warden vs 10 CANDY ARMED AND ARMORED DWARVES

warden won without a scratch...

they seem to be impervious to conventional means...

also... i saw it play golf with the dwarves....

did the same warden vs 24 dwarves, was a lot slower, due to the warden "arming" himself with a candy mail shirt, and using that instead of his awesome blade (or should i say "golf club"?)...
did i mention that candy swords couldn't do anything through his armor? (they were the good LFR shiny swords too...)
and its blade more or less ignores 3 candy mail shirts with a candy breastplate

heck i even pitted rift warden vs many emberlights for the heck of it... warden won (again)

HOW THE HECK DO THESE GUYS DIE?!?

Slade maul with a legendary hammer dwarf. Watch it explode.

you test it? one dwarf will NEVER be able to kill a rift warden, no matter how well he's armed
the rift warden can manage ~5 kills b4 his victems can retalitate...
but im testing that now... have to use iovium (im lazy ok? its 1/4 slades density)

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1 dwarf vs rift warden, dwarf gets one shot, no attempt at hitting rift warden
6 dwarves vs rift warden; 2 dwarves die b4 any others get a chance to strike, IOVIUM MAUL GLANCED OFF ITS ARMOR! absoulutely no damage done to it
for fun: 24 dwarves vs 1 rift warden (all with grandmaster hammer + fighter skill, no armor, as candy is useless vs it)
all 24 dwarves died, rift warden had both hands broken, but that doesnt prevent him from using his blade (his blade being a natural weapon and all), in fact it prolly made him more dangerous, being unable to pick up your dwarves armor and then attempting to use it as a weapon

rift warden vs giant sponge; they've been going at it for an hour, giant sponges are still impervious to conventional damage (yay?)

simply put, you shouldn't attempt to kill a rift warden through conventional means, yes it has [NOPAIN], [TRAPAVOID], [WEBIMMUNE] as well as immunity to pretty much everything (no way to put it in a cage trap, at least)

oh they do die of old age tho: [MAXAGE:2000000000:3500000000].....

[narhiril]

look in spoiler for basic results... if you want to be utterly shocked...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

try one warden vs 10 CANDY ARMED AND ARMORED DWARVES

warden won without a scratch...

they seem to be impervious to conventional means...

also... i saw it play golf with the dwarves....

did the same warden vs 24 dwarves, was a lot slower, due to the warden "arming" himself with a candy mail shirt, and using that instead of his awesome blade (or should i say "golf club"?)...
did i mention that candy swords couldn't do anything through his armor? (they were the good LFR shiny swords too...)
and its blade more or less ignores 3 candy mail shirts with a candy breastplate

heck i even pitted rift warden vs many emberlights for the heck of it... warden won (again)

HOW THE HECK DO THESE GUYS DIE?!?

Slade maul with a legendary hammer dwarf. Watch it explode.

you test it? one dwarf will NEVER be able to kill a rift warden, no matter how well he's armed
the rift warden can manage ~5 kills b4 his victems can retalitate...
but im testing that now... have to use iovium (im lazy ok? its 1/4 slades density)

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1 dwarf vs rift warden, dwarf gets one shot, no attempt at hitting rift warden
6 dwarves vs rift warden; 2 dwarves die b4 any others get a chance to strike, IOVIUM MAUL GLANCED OFF ITS ARMOR! absoulutely no damage done to it
for fun: 24 dwarves vs 1 rift warden (all with grandmaster hammer + fighter skill, no armor, as candy is useless vs it)
all 24 dwarves died, rift warden had both hands broken, but that doesnt prevent him from using his blade (his blade being a natural weapon and all), in fact it prolly made him more dangerous, being unable to pick up your dwarves armor and then attempting to use it as a weapon

rift warden vs giant sponge; they've been going at it for an hour, giant sponges are still impervious to conventional damage (yay?)

simply put, you shouldn't attempt to kill a rift warden through conventional means, yes it has [NOPAIN], [TRAPAVOID], [WEBIMMUNE] as well as immunity to pretty much everything (no way to put it in a cage trap, at least)

oh they do die of old age tho: [MAXAGE:2000000000:3500000000].....

They're vulnerable to ranged weapons.  Try to tank it with a few adamantine-clad dwarves and have a squad of dart launchers or crossbowmen kill it.  Sooner or later, someone will get an arrow/dart/bolt/javelin/void energy/mystic ice through the helmet's eye slots.

That being said, these are one of LFR's most dangerous creatures.  What do you expect, with a drop like that? 

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A planned feature of the final tier of the ritual tree involves that particular item.