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[smjjames]

The Power of Play talk went over well enough -- we should have a link once they post it. I guess I'll stay on a day schedule until I drift. Today I cleaned up some dwarf mode problems with their generally broken minds. A soldier failed to move when confronted with a kill-ordered adder through a series of bug fixes, and when I finally got some movement, he ran away and climbed up a tree. He has "great difficulty mastering his fear when confronted with danger", so I guess that wasn't a bug, although he didn't seem to be afraid of heights at all. His friends on the squad managed to take care of the snake.

Rofl on that!

I guess the tree pathfinding is fine.

[Manveru Taurënér]

It'll be interesting to see how many new players that will attribute this to some sort of bug, not knowing that DF actually simulates things at this level

[flabort]

So, Manveru, may I take the liberty of breaking up your questions?
Does a dwarf take whether he detests or has a phobia of a certain creature type into account when yielding or running away?

Does a dwarf take the size and/or rarity of a foe into account?

Does he take allies he may have with him into account? What if they are part of his squad, but half the map away en route at the moment?

And how does he actually take it all into account? Are two sets of variables added up and compared, or is there more to it?

[Putnam]

3 is a yes, I'm pretty sure, at least for the first part.

[EnigmaticHat]

As informative as all that is it sadly doesn't really answer either of the 2 questions. Not that it really matters that much, I'm sure it'll make it in later on either way. would be nice to know though ^^

I believe the main factor on a dwarf by dwarf basis is personality traits, which have been redone for this release.  If you go to a dwarf's info in fort mode it will tell you they "doesn't like people, get frustrated easily" that kind of thing, I believe now it will also tell you how well they handle fear.

So, Manveru, may I take the liberty of breaking up your questions?
Does a dwarf take whether he detests or has a phobia of a certain creature type into account when yielding or running away?

Does a dwarf take the size and/or rarity of a foe into account?

Does he take allies he may have with him into account? What if they are part of his squad, but half the map away en route at the moment?

And how does he actually take it all into account? Are two sets of variables added up and compared, or is there more to it?

1. No idea
2. Rarity isn't tracked currently, size almost certainly will be accounted for but I don't remember it ever being confirmed
3. Yes, the size of the two opposed factions are taken into account
4.  Its likely comparing all the variables and then doing a random roll, same as normal.  But Toady hasn't talked about specifics on this one yet either.

[Manveru Taurënér]

As informative as all that is it sadly doesn't really answer either of the 2 questions. Not that it really matters that much, I'm sure it'll make it in later on either way. would be nice to know though ^^

I believe the main factor on a dwarf by dwarf basis is personality traits, which have been redone for this release.  If you go to a dwarf's info in fort mode it will tell you they "doesn't like people, get frustrated easily" that kind of thing, I believe now it will also tell you how well they handle fear.

Well yeah, I get that the personality traits will be the major deciding factor, I was rather inquiring a bit more into how/if they'd synergy with the rest of his personality for now, and whether there's any kind of "roll" or randomness influencing the outcome ^^

So, Manveru, may I take the liberty of breaking up your questions?
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No problem at all. Like EnigmaticHat mentioned though, the first part of your third question was answered in the DFtalk quote a few posts back.

[Wimopy]

Now, I can imagine two reactions when encountering a creature the soldier has a phobia of; either he panics and runs away or panics and attacks wildly, with little thought of self-defence.

Is it possible for a dwarf to panic and fight in that state, or will running always be the chosen option when broken by fear?

[cybergon]

I'm not sure if someone asked this before, but just in case.
When escalating combat from non-lethal to lethal, will both creatures simultaneously escalate combat or do they do this independently of what their opponent is trying to do?

[CaptainArchmage]

01/24/2014  The Power of Play talk went over well enough -- we should have a link once they post it. I guess I'll stay on a day schedule until I drift. Today I cleaned up some dwarf mode problems with their generally broken minds. A soldier failed to move when confronted with a kill-ordered adder through a series of bug fixes, and when I finally got some movement, he ran away and climbed up a tree. He has "great difficulty mastering his fear when confronted with danger", so I guess that wasn't a bug, although he didn't seem to be afraid of heights at all. His friends on the squad managed to take care of the snake.

I guess I'll stay on a day schedule until I drift.

I'll stay on a day schedule

day schedule

Is this a sign of the apocalypse? The release is nigh!

While you are working fixing the bugs from the personality rewrite and AI changes, have you implemented improvements to the military (besides climbing) or not yet? Are we now less likely to have trouble getting soldiers to shoot through fortifications?

It would be great if the apparently-necessary pre-release A.I. fixes fixed that.

[Putnam]

Haven't heard anything about military improvements; all he's doing right now is fixing stuff related to the dwarven soul overhaul.

[Edmus]

That dwarf sounds like Samwell Tarley.
Considering this development will Dwarven soldiers prone to fear run away when they start to lose friends to goblins? and visa-versa?

[MrWillsauce]

Samwell Tarly wouldn't have run up a tree; he would have pissed his pants and fallen to the floor, shivering and waiting to die. That, or he would have driven a knife through the adder's neck like a badass. I don't think Sam is capable of climbing trees under any conditions anyway.

[Putnam]

Considering this development will Dwarven soldiers prone to fear run away when they start to lose friends to goblins? and visa-versa?

Yes. This was one of the first examples ever given of yielding.

[misko27]

01/24/2014  The Power of Play talk went over well enough -- we should have a link once they post it. I guess I'll stay on a day schedule until I drift. Today I cleaned up some dwarf mode problems with their generally broken minds. A soldier failed to move when confronted with a kill-ordered adder through a series of bug fixes, and when I finally got some movement, he ran away and climbed up a tree. He has "great difficulty mastering his fear when confronted with danger", so I guess that wasn't a bug, although he didn't seem to be afraid of heights at all. His friends on the squad managed to take care of the snake.

I guess I'll stay on a day schedule until I drift.

I'll stay on a day schedule

day schedule

Is this a sign of the apocalypse? The release is nigh!

While you are working fixing the bugs from the personality rewrite and AI changes, have you implemented improvements to the military (besides climbing) or not yet? Are we now less likely to have trouble getting soldiers to shoot through fortifications?

It would be great if the apparently-necessary pre-release A.I. fixes fixed that.

I don't think so, on any count. For one, I've heard chatter about the update being "in the next few days" for several weeks now; skepticism is now at maximum speed. I don't think there is any improvements regarding military AI, unless he prevents them from scaling their own walls and attacking the enemy (which, according to release notes, could well happen often if you don't have two-tile high fortifications or a ditch in front or something).

This is just bug-fixing. Bug fixing is extensive. He is still adding things too, like the decision to add climbing recently.

It opens other questions though.So a dwarf ran up a tree, does that mean one of the situations in which they climb includes running away? Will civilians do that too? When will they decide it's safe?

EDIT:Devlog:

I continued on to clean up various dwarf mode issues today. Updated how animals think of their encounters (there will be animal-animal interactions now in dwarf mode, however that'll work out), updated meandering, updated sleeping/resting, updated some of the dig/channel/construct ai (just to get it back where it was, such as that is), fixed up vehicle collisions, and a projectile issue. I also updated the quarry leaf jobs to support growths -- a side effect of this was that the "material reaction product" stuff you might be familiar with from modding now also has a similar tag to send over an item type with the material, so a single reaction can produce different item types depending on the incoming reagent's material. I'm not sure how useful that is overall, but it could cut down on some clutter.

[Putnam]

a side effect of this was that the "material reaction product" stuff you might be familiar with from modding now also has a similar tag to send over an item type with the material,

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