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[smjjames]

Predator prey interactions, neat, also more bug fixing, we're getting there.

Since there only seem to be two native herbivores in the caverns (at least that are explictly said to be herbivores, if not in the raws) and everything else seems to be either carnivorous or omnivorous, I'm wondering how you will deal with omnivore vs omnivore interactions?

Also, would it be possible for a pack of crundles (which are carnivores btw) to hunt together and attack a Rutherer or Draltha? Basically, will we see pack hunting behavior in this version even if it's an emergent behavior?

I know we see pack behavior already in the form of a pack of dingoes or wolves attacking an adventurer, but I'm talking in the context of predator-prey interactions.

Crundles are smaller than a dwarf and Drunians and Rutherers are around Rhino sized, so a lone crundle would be flattened, but a pack of them could certainly do damage, think utahraptors vs sauropods.

Edit: corrected the dromaeosaurid species.

[WillowLuman]

Velociraptors were actually pretty small, about 15kg (the same mass as a large housecat). There is no evidence to show they ever tried to kill anything rhino sized. A better analogy would be wolves taking down bison and bull moose, though the size difference there is much less. If you're just so small, no amount of numbers will make a difference, since fitting enough muscle, teeth, and claws to do the job requires a larger frame. I could see crundles taking down elk birds (also herbivores btw), troglodytes, and anything approximately man-sized or smaller, but not dralthas or rutherers. There are plenty of cavern creatures man-sized or smaller for them to eat, though.

[thvaz]

I think crundles could be scavengers instead of predators, giving their size.

[Footkerchief]

Velociraptors were actually pretty small, about 15kg (the same mass as a large housecat).

15 pounds is a large housecat.  15 kilograms is more like a German shepherd.

[thvaz]

Velociraptors were actually pretty small, about 15kg (the same mass as a large housecat).

15 pounds is a large housecat.  15 kilograms is more like a German shepherd.

German Shepherds are large sized dogs. The breed standard height at the withers is 60–65 cm (24–26 in) for males and 55–60 cm (22–24 in) for females. The weight standard is 30–40 kilograms (66–88 lb) for males and 22–32 kilograms (49–71 lb) for females.

Though you are correct about the cat.

[Footkerchief]

Okay, a German shepherd puppy, same thing right?

[smjjames]

I wasn't sure whether elk birds were herbivorous or omnivorous as it doesn't really say.

As for the velociraptors, I was mixing the larger utahraptors (which are man sized btw) with their smaller cousins and yeah wolves are a better example.

[Dutchling]

Waving human for scale:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I did not know they got so big o.o

[smjjames]

Yea, I actually was thinking of the utahraptors but said velociraptor for whatever reason. I edited my post from earlier so that it makes better sense.

[LordBaal]

Ummm... which makes me wonder if anyone has tried a Jurassic Park mod...

[smjjames]

Ummm... which makes me wonder if anyone has tried a Jurassic Park mod...

I know there is one person who was/is modding in all kinds of dinosaurs.

Edit: thread linkage, still active even. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123137.0

[WillowLuman]

Point being, though, that crundles are just tiny. Try pitting 15 of them at once (on the same team) against a Draltha in the Arena. The draltha stomps each and every one of them because the size difference is just too great. Far more-so than wolves and bison, or wolves and grizzly bears (they do eat them sometimes).

[smjjames]

I wasn't really sure just how small the crundles were though and their large groups made me think  of packs and thus my question about pack hunting.

[LordBaal]

Agree with the undercover Huge Jackman here, they would need to hunt in swarms, not packs to hunt down anything larger than an animal man from the caves.

[smjjames]

Everybody understands what I was trying to ask though, right? Even if my example doesn't make much sense and I was thinking of the caverns at that moment and crundles were the first thing to come to mind.