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[Tiruin]

Good Morning again!
Long post as I'll be busy in the next hours.

What made you unvote Andrew425? Or was Tiruin just derping in his votecount?

You really want to stick to the belief about my Double-voter claim being wrong eh?

EBWOP: And the same for Mii.

I can't parse how this relates to my action.

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

Also, I did not know that not claiming on random votes was considered bad at all, until now. Thanks to ToonyMan.

Pardon? You never knew that failing to justify random votes was bad? Shouldn't one always have a reason/case for a vote?

No. What I'm saying is that I have a second vote, but I cannot control it in anyway whatsoever. Proven twice by the votecount, which I request (the votecount) from Mod GlyphGryph.

Like I said, it's a PAC that uses my name to vote anyone. Formatted for emphasis.

ToonyMan
Thanks for being even more confusing, trying to deflect back on me. I've proven my case already-...

Spoiler: Wow. This is a long post. (click to show/hide)

If Tiruin was trying to attack my question then I just don't see it.

Which part of this did you find it difficult to parse?

ToonyMan: Where is your honor, defiling another's reputation because of his NAME! Paranoia all around?!

Misunderstandings are important because they show whether somebody can actually put together logic that makes sense. Attacking somebody when they don't even know they're being attacked makes no sense and it's scummy.

Oh. That's a good point, let me think for a bit.
No, wait, my mistake, that's absolute bullshit.
You don't get to hide from scumhunting by herpaderping and pretending to not understand something that's perfectly clear and obvious to everyone else reading this thread. I don't know if there's a Mafia term for the Chewbacca defence or not, but either way it's scummy as all Hell.

Bookthras, I'm not sure why I haven't voted you yet.

Um, because you don't have the first hint of anything that might have even once been a kissing cousin to a case on him?
Throwing around random votes and hoping they stick without actually presenting evidence is, eh, not going to help your case at all.

Oh, you mean when Tiruin joke voted me?  That's the wrong spot.  I'm talking about when he starting getting strange with the 'buddyer' thing and nobody seems to understand that!  I don't mean the stupid name thing.  If this was really the misunderstanding then wow.  I can take some blame but seriously what the hell that's not even what I was talking about the entire game so far.  I didn't mean the Andrew name thing at all.  Urgh that's so stupid.
Bookthras' vote isn't random dude.  He clearly doesn't know what he's doing with his attack and is trying to build a case on the same thing over and over again, like a certain Mii.  It's really stupid and aggravating and if he plans to hide his alignment by being loud and incoherent it's not going to work.

Erm, did you even read your own posts in regard to your attack on me? They defy the very words you say right in the spoily above. If I don't understand anything, then why do you even further it by being so vague!

Spoiler: ToonyMan (click to show/hide)

Ever since this post you've been voting Mii based on flavourwank and horribad logic. Since this post, he's been voting Tiruin on the same sort of transparently fallacious logic. Transparently fallacious logic like this:

@ToonyMan: If you want to clarify something, then type it down! You're trying to slander my name by saying I'm misinterpreting but how can I get what your view is if you don't say anything! Your vote on me seems completely senseless by that.

You said Pranz was a 'buddyer', you then answered a question for somebody else, defending them.

For those in the audience who were not keeping score, Tiruin didn't answer the question. He attacked the premise of the question. Which is perfectly proper scumhunting, because it was a monumentally shitty question.

Here, you back off from a pressure vote based on a facile non-answer, after others have pointed out that the question you were pressuring on was a facile non-question. Why did you back off rather than ask real questions, when people noticed that your question was bad?

Nice acting.  Linking posts does not make it any more convincing.  You're just listing what has happened and trying to make it seem 'aggressive'.  I recast my vote on you because you were being scummy, your entire reason for voting me is absolutely pointless and holds no 'evidence' which even you want from me!  Pranz's gut feeling is as good as yours.  Your vote definitely has less base than mine.

Lolwut?

Methinks me sees an OMGUS.

Oh, and "linking posts" is what we call building a case. Attack the specifics of the case. Don't attack the fact that she's building a case.

I don't trust what you're saying Toaster.  I believe in a Bay12 mafia Josh or Jim or somebody made up this 'game plan' on the first day and it turned out they were just trying to fufill their win condition as quickly as possible.  It was quite amazing to see the other players turn into mindless sheep as they all did what was asked of them.  There is no easy way out in this.
Like, if you don't get the straw vote majority then will you be able to resurrect someone before getting night killed?  Since the mafia will do that and that would prevent the day 2 town win.  I want clarification on that.  It looks so far that you will get the majority but I disagree with this openly.  You can easily have another plan I wouldn't be able to predict and it's much better to hunt scum on who you actually think they are.  I'm going to ask why you didn't bring this up sooner or if you were hesitant to 'break the game' for the good of town, heh.

Um, so what? Toaster's plan involves a clearly and cheaply (for the rest of the town) testable hypothesis: Specifically, "one of today's mislynches will come back from the dead by tomorrow." If that doesn't happen, Toaster gets lynched. End of story. If it does happen, town wins. Also end of story.

I fail to see the problem here.

If Tiruin was trying to attack my question then I just don't see it.  I don't see an attack and it was just confusing so I kept my vote on him.  Sure he based his attack on the very nonsense itself afterwards but that's him being scummy and voting for no reason.[/quote]

ToonyMan: Where is your honor, defiling another's reputation because of his NAME! Paranoia all around?!

You don't see this then, from the very start? You've based your whole case on this part, leading on on my 'misunderstandings'.

Guess what? RVS. And you bit back with the wrong case of aggro.

You shun buddy-ing but defend Andrew TIRUIN?

. . .
Then you lash out at anyone else who try to make sense of this duel between me and you. Why the anger? It was firstly a 'misunderstanding', but then you fail to clarify by adding more on that case.

Also, you attack others for their- formatting? You don't even vote for (most) of those who 'defend' you. Tunnel vision on all the rest?

He clearly doesn't know what he's doing with his attack and is trying to build a case on the same thing over and over again, like a certain Mii.  It's really stupid and aggravating and if he plans to hide his alignment by being loud and incoherent it's not going to work.

The hypocrisy hurts me very muchly. I'll stop fighting with you now.
Dariush: Now that you aren't busy; could you at least give impressions on us in general? Firstly, I thought you too were lurking, but you cleared it up with weekend-business. Give more detail on your votes.

Oh god the hipocrisy. Unvote everyone, Pranz, Bookthras.

And yes, I'm godforsakenly busy this weekend. My apologies.

Like on Pranz, and more on Bookthras.

[Urist McUselessNoble]

Toony:

Oh, you mean when Tiruin joke voted me?  That's the wrong spot.  I'm talking about when he starting getting strange with the 'buddyer' thing and nobody seems to understand that!

Then please restate your case clearly, coherently and with links and quotes to back it up.

What, precisely, was your first real scumtell on him? What about his response reinforced your belief that he is scum? Do the town a favour and point it out, because if it's not obvious to me it's probably not obvious to everyone else either.

Tiruin:

What made you unvote Andrew425? Or was Tiruin just derping in his votecount?

You really want to stick to the belief about my Double-voter claim being wrong eh?

The question you refer to was addressed at Dariush. You were included only insofar as mistakes in the latest votecount were concerned, because you made it (and thanks for that, by the way).

EBWOP: And the same for Mii.

I can't parse how this relates to my action.

See above.

Oh, and you have a formatting snafu after the second spoiler in your case on Toony.

[Pranz]

Claiming cop is scum, but bandwagoning possible cop is not?

However, i don't mind being lynched, it's a requirement for Toasters plan to lynch a townie after all.

[Dariush]

I will point out that Book always does that "X, Y and Z:  Give me your read on Foo, Bar, and Baz" type question, every game, every alignment.

Still doesn't change the fact that it's stupid, useless and lazy.

What made you unvote Andrew425? Or was Tiruin just derping in his votecount?

Because I don't have anything solid against Mii and Andrew kinda faded out of my attention.

GET BACK HERE ANDREW

Dariush - defending me

...what, really? Huh, I didn't know that.

Dariush: Now that you aren't busy; could you at least give impressions on us in general? Firstly, I thought you too were lurking, but you cleared it up with weekend-business. Give more detail on your votes.

Don't buddy me with your 'Oh yes, I understand everything, sure you were busy, I don't blame you blahblahblah', and I already gave all the reasons for both votes before I made a mass unvote.

[GlyphGryph]

Heya, ladies. Got a vote count on its way soon. (everybody who says "unvote" and then revotes is awesome, or if you did it recently!

In addition...
Day End in 3 hours I think you'll all had enough time to get things settled by now, considering all the extra time I gave you guys, right?

Remember, shifting issues doesn't use up your nightly night action, so if you want to shift something let me know!

[Toaster]

Okay, clarification is in.  On whether I die if I res at night-  He didn't answer directly but said that the straw poll winner is prevented from dying.  He also confirmed that if I res at night, killing me won't stop it.

A roleblock would, however, which is another reason I'd want to be sure I could make it to D2.


Pranz:

However, i don't mind being lynched, it's a requirement for Toasters plan to lynch a townie after all.

I'm perfectly content with us lynching 2-3 nontown and 0 town.



For ease of counting:

Unvote Everyone.
Vote Dariush, Andrew425, and Mii.

[Bookthras]

Claiming cop is scum, but bandwagoning possible cop is not?
However, i don't mind being lynched, it's a requirement for Toasters plan to lynch a townie after all.

Dude, claiming cop is scummy, and worse, bad play. So is saying "go ahead, lynch me" for any reason. Just because some of us peg you as town because it's a newbie mistake doesn't make it right or excuse it in any way. Don't do that. Also, if you are indeed a townie cop, it's better if you aren't lynched, so you can, you know, investigate someone, yes?

Day End in 3 hours I think you'll all had enough time to get things settled by now, considering all the extra time I gave you guys, right?

Please give us at least a bit of time between the vote count and end of day, in case there's any corrections to be made.

But yes, clarity: Unvote everybody.

Vote ToonyMan. Vote Andrew425. Vote Dariush. Vote McNoble.

[Urist McUselessNoble]

For ease of counting:

Unvote Everyone.
Vote Dariush, Andrew425, and Mii.

Chez what?

I can understand wanting to policylynch Andy and Dariush for lurking. I disagree on Dariush, but voting him is something reasonable people can disagree about. I can understand not wanting to lynch Pranz (I disagree with your inverse-chainlynch reasoning, but, again, it's a matter where reasonable people can disagree).

But this seems to be the sum total of your stated case on Mii. You've stated a stronger case against Toony, just in the past 10-15 posts or so. Not cool.

Oh, and for the record, Bookthras still doesn't have a case on me that isn't based on insane troll logic. But feel free to provide one at your earliest convenience.

[Mii]

For ease of counting:

Unvote Everyone.
Vote Dariush, Andrew425, and Mii.

Toaster: Urist McUselessNoble seems to have beaten me to it! Please state your case (preferably in as little time as possible, as the clock is ticking).

Unvote everyone, ToonyMan, Andrew.

[GlyphGryph]

Okay, hope this is right!

Attack Ad Targets list! (Let me know if I missed one of your votes or unvotes!)
1. Dariush(2) <- Bookthras, Toaster
2. Toaster <-
3. Bookthras(2) <- Dariush, ToonyMan
4. Pranz(5) <- Dariush, ToonyMan, UristMcUselessNoble, Tiruin, Andrew
5. Andrew425(8 ) <- Tiruin, Mii, Bookthras, Toaster, Dariush, ToonyMan, UristMcUselessNoble, Tiruin
6. ToonyMan(5) <- Mii, Bookthras, Tiruin, UristMcUselessNoble , Pranz
7. UristMcUselessNoble(2) <- Bookthras, Tiruin
8. Mii(2) <- Toaster, ToonyMan
9. Tiruin(1) <- ToonyMan

Leader of the Pack:
1. Dariush <- Dariush
2. Toaster(5) <- Toaster, Bookthras, Pranz, Tiruin, Mii
3. Bookthras(3) <- Bookthras,  UristMcUselessNoble, Mii
4. Pranz
5. Andrew425 <- Andrew425
6. ToonyMan <- ToonyMan
7. UristMcUselessNoble <-
8. Mii <- Mii
9. Tiruin <- Tiruin

I'll end in two more hours, just because I'm honestly not sure about those counts, and to let people make last minute changes/night submissions if they want. Then hopefully we'll be back on a normal schedule. Sorry about the erraticness.

Currently - Andrew and Toony and Pranz are up to be lynched.

[Dariush]

Er, did my unvote affect my green vote?... Dariush

[GlyphGryph]

Modified.

[Bookthras]

Mod: Thanks! Question: What does the asterisk next to green-McNoble mean? How long till end of day?
Also, to avoid chicanery attempts: Unvote Bookthras


From the above, it seems Andrew, Toony and Pranz will be lynched. While that list is fine by me, I'd ask McNoble and Tiruin to make sure whether they want Pranz to hang. Your vote, your choice, of course, just make sure you're sure.

[Bookthras]

Currently - Andrew and Toony are up to be lynched.

Oh?

4. Pranz(5) <- Dariush, ToonyMan, UristMcUselessNoble, Tiruin, Andrew

With nine players, aren't five votes enough to lynch?

(also, noted on end of day, missed your edit)

[Urist Imiknorris]

Mii's greenvoting three people?