Bookthras:Since you're taking suggestions for your vigkill, I suggest saving it for the eventuality that we mislynch at M/LyLo. Town can, in this game, lynch as many or as few people as we want, so a vigkill is quite obviously redundant
except as a LyLo-breaker. In fact, vigging people after you failed to make enough of a case on them that the town agreed they needed to die strikes me as supremely scummy, except to avoid being endgamed after a M/LyLo mislynch.
So you should hang on to it, just in case Toaster is up to something scummy. If Toaster is on the level, we don't need it to win. If Toaster is scum, we may very well need a LyLo-breaker like that.
It seems suddenly important that there are an odd, not even, number of players left by the start of D2.
Not so. The more people we lynch today, the more important activity becomes, but the difference between having an odd and even number of players left is the same as the difference between MyLo and LyLo.
The following assumes one mafiakill against town:
1 mislynch/vigkill: 7 players left. At least four active townies out of five required.
2 townkills: 6 players left. MyLo.
3 townkills: 5 players left. LyLo.
4+ townkills: 4- players left. Town is endgamed.
Unless we hit scum with the lynches, of course. But then we'd be even farther from LyLo, making it even less appropriate for you to fire off your LyLo-breaker.
If town has two mislynches, your vigging someone just to have us at an odd number of players would mean instant LyLo if you hit town. And you would have spent your LyLo-breaker. I find it difficult to see how that's an advantage for town.
After a thorough re-read, an update on my thoughts on everyone, in no particular order:
Sure, but accepting suggestions does not mean I'll follow them, and the suggestions themselves would be interesting to dissect in case things go wrong. I do want suggestions, preferably with reasons behind them, and I will consider them, but ultimately I will shoot who I decide to shoot.
This is a scummy, scummy strategy, for the reasons outlined above the fold.
Your
signal to noise ratio is low. But it has been improving since we left RVS, so I'm not prepared to call activelurking on you for it.
Ever since
this post you've been
voting Mii based on flavourwank and horribad logic. Since
this post, he's been voting Tiruin on the same sort of transparently fallacious logic. Transparently fallacious logic like this:
@ToonyMan: If you want to clarify something, then type it down! You're trying to slander my name by saying I'm misinterpreting but how can I get what your view is if you don't say anything! Your vote on me seems completely senseless by that.
You said Pranz was a 'buddyer', you then answered a question for somebody else, defending them.
For those in the audience who were not keeping score, Tiruin didn't answer the question. He attacked the premise of the question. Which is perfectly proper scumhunting, because it was a monumentally shitty question.
Here, you back off from a pressure vote based on a facile non-answer, after others have pointed out that the question you were pressuring on was a facile non-question. Why did you
back off rather than ask real questions, when people noticed that your question was bad?
Nice acting. Linking posts does not make it any more convincing. You're just listing what has happened and trying to make it seem 'aggressive'. I recast my vote on you because you were being scummy, your entire reason for voting me is absolutely pointless and holds no 'evidence' which even you want from me! Pranz's gut feeling is as good as yours. Your vote definitely has less base than mine.
Lolwut?
Methinks me sees an OMGUS.
Oh, and "linking posts" is what we call
building a case. Attack the specifics of the case. Don't attack the fact that she's building a case.
I don't trust what you're saying Toaster. I believe in a Bay12 mafia Josh or Jim or somebody made up this 'game plan' on the first day and it turned out they were just trying to fufill their win condition as quickly as possible. It was quite amazing to see the other players turn into mindless sheep as they all did what was asked of them. There is no easy way out in this.
Like, if you don't get the straw vote majority then will you be able to resurrect someone before getting night killed? Since the mafia will do that and that would prevent the day 2 town win. I want clarification on that. It looks so far that you will get the majority but I disagree with this openly. You can easily have another plan I wouldn't be able to predict and it's much better to hunt scum on who you actually think they are. I'm going to ask why you didn't bring this up sooner or if you were hesitant to 'break the game' for the good of town, heh.
Um, so what? Toaster's plan involves a clearly and cheaply (for the rest of the town) testable hypothesis: Specifically, "one of today's mislynches will come back from the dead by tomorrow." If that doesn't happen, Toaster gets lynched. End of story. If it does happen, town wins. Also end of story.
I fail to see the problem here.
But as our wonderful country states - ignorantia juris non excusat. So alas, my mistake might not even be registered as a mistake but as feigned ignorance. Even if I were scum with that role (which I am not - I will excuse your lapse in judgment in thinking I am scum if you excuse my short-lived obliviousness), why would I feel the need to share it with you?
This is is bad. Not only are you buddying, you're offering your buddy target a toast of wine as well.
Toaster: Nice plan, but the scum probably have their own plans. We do not know what they have on their side, and if you're telling the truth, they know what we have.
That's a very fine vintage, but no thanks.
Jumped on the Toonywagon here, based on "a gut feeling" and no case. Not just a bad case. No case.
Tried to deflect Dariush after the latter pointed out the above, with the silliest OMGUS I have ever seen.
Randomvotes people. Fails to follow up on his pressure votes.
This post:
I'm not trying to bandwagon anyone, the reason I'm voting toonyman is this entire post:
Toonyman: are you a true American and accept Intelligent Design, or a liberal commie who believes in the theory of Evolution? If you were scum, who would you kill tonight?
Of course BOOKTHRAS, everything science does is magic and does not require explanations.
If I were vile liberal scum I would kill PRANZ for not having enough red.
I vote TOONYMAN because he is the best leader clearly.
ANDREW425, why is your name Andrew?! Is it a trick to deceive our great and proud and great COUNTRY?
And MII, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE IDEA OF FREEDOM??
He pressure votes me to do what? He pressure votes Andrew and expects what in return?
Admittedly, i'm not very good at mafia, but i must ask you to place some trust in me. If i survive until next day I'll hopefully have some useful information for you all.
This is just plain bad. OMGUS,
deflection and all rounded off with an appeal to spare him because he's a newbie.
Of course, that's always a possibility. I'm just saying, is it neccesary to kill me D1 when i might be of use? If i'm just a townie and tries desperately to survive, maybe scum will kill me this night and anyone else will be safe. Gone will only be what seems to be the towns number one FoS.
You want some cheese with that wine?
All-round horribad signal to noise ratio.
Bookthras:
Do better how? Shit were going downhill so i...
Claimed cop. Yes, that was a cop claim, if it was misunderstood.
You're claiming cop?
On the first day?
Pranz
Of all the baseless votes in this thread, that one takes the cake. If you think claiming cop D1 is a bad town play, you need to actually type out a reason why it is. I happen to agree, and so does the conventional wisdom on the board, but
that doesn't matter: You still need to put forward an argument. Hardly too much to ask, considering your activity levels in this thread so far.
Speaking of which, you're lurkscum too.
The more I think about it, the less I like your
roleclaim. It's unverifiable that your vote is actually random, rather than (say) something you PM the mod about. It also strikes me as a bastard sort of role to give someone, but that doesn't have to mean anything.
What makes me
really not like it is that you didn't claim it from the beginning. You knew (or should have known) that we'd learn it sometime D1, so why not be up-front about it? Not unlike claiming Miller when you're about to be lynched, claiming randomvoter only after people have already noticed and gotten suspicious is almost bound to drown the town in wine.
has dropped no scumtells that I caught.
Dariush I'm not getting a lot of signal on lately. Lurkscum or just busy on weekends? I'm betting the latter so far.
Previous summary. Superceded by this one, but included for completeness.
Based on this, I'll cast my votes.
Unvote Everyone
Vote Bookthras. If Toaster is telling the truth, he doesn't need the greenvotes. If he doesn't, he shouldn't have the greenvotes. Bookie, OTOH, has claimed a LyLo-breaker. And if Toaster is lying scum, or third party getting his D2 wincon, then we may very well
need a LyLo-breaker.
Unvote Everyone
Vote Toonyman, for OMGUSing, flailing at Tiruin and Mii with horribad cases, and because I keep getting the impression that his low scumhunting to flavourwank ratio is about hiding in flavour. In both cases where he seems to have been scumhunting, it quickly devolved into an unproductive flame war. One flamewar may be regarded as a misfortune. Two is beginning to look like carelessness. Oh, and it doesn't help his case that he was wining the town about Toaster's plan.
Vote Pranz for bandwagoning, deflection, randomvoting people and then backing off when it doesn't stick, not scumhunting, appeals to mercy for being a newbie, OMGUS and WIFOM. Go hang, scum.
Vote Andrew425 for being lurkscum who votes people without arguments. I don't normally like to policylynch lurkers, but Andy rubs me the wrong way, and has enough activity elsewhere in the forums that IMO he doesn't have plausible deniability for activelurking here.
Dariush needs to come out and play. And I really don't like
Tiruin's roleclaim.
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