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Hello again SalmonGod, thank you for reporting this. One question, were you using No Giant Birds or not?
I’m not sure there is much anyone can do about the incel problem. In every generation there will always be someone left on the bench, and biology doesn’t help as natural selection largely works by excluding the unfit (with females performing the selection in most species).
Not letting people use computers or the internet until they're 25 or so will help.
The internet basically saved my life in my teen years.
I used to think the same, but now I understand that it was actually the problem.
This discussion got weird.
I'm seeing a lot of "now the protests will end" as if that's a bad thing from the Right on my facebook. I think the idea is that protests were a Democrat Plot pushed by the Mainstream Media. The world in which the far right lives is one where the Democrats are capable of incredible organization and competence.
Facism needs enemies that are alarmingly pervasive, numerous and competent, but also somehow actually incapable of stopping you from, oh, I dunno … controlling all three branches of government or something.
I’m not sure there is much anyone can do about the incel problem. In every generation there will always be someone left on the bench, and biology doesn’t help as natural selection largely works by excluding the unfit (with females performing the selection in most species).
Not letting people use computers or the internet until they're 25 or so will help.
Understanding that people aren't just randomly born terrible, actually making their lives better, and making sure they know why their lives got better is the solution.
If your premise is correct, people aren't just randomly born terrible, then making their lives better solves everything.
But if you're wrong, and people are in fact just randomly born terrible, then making their lives better just gives them more time and opportunity to procreate, making more terrible people, increasing in number until they have a sufficient population to influence democratic policy, leading to widespread intolerance, hatred, and worse.
You fear an Ultra-Trump down the line. I fear that your attempts to prevent that outcome will inevitably make it a reality.
So your thoughts on what's being proposed to open up 2021 with? 50k student loan forgiveness across the board, massive infrastructure spending, etc.?
Understanding that people aren't just randomly born terrible, actually making their lives better, and making sure they know why their lives got better is the solution.Because that's a thing you can do when they actively fight against it and piss on any and every thing you try to do. Chunks of the folks you're talking about will literally get themselves and their family killed to sabotage efforts to make their lives better. Like, we try because it's the goddamn moral thing to do, but the solution you're talking about is more than just a little difficult with the cards on the table in this country.
People aren't born fascists. They're driven to it by a combination of fear, insecurity, humiliation, unstable circumstances, propaganda, and cult figures. Ultimately summarized as bad times + cultural issues. And *one of* the culture issues I'm referring to specifically is: If we are indiscriminately mocking and smug towards people who aren't yet fascists, we drive them away from our culture towards the one that will accept them. That the ideology will follow is an inevitability.
I know many out there will quickly retort "If someone decides to become a fascist because someone said something mean to them, then they were probably a fascist piece of shit all along and we don't want them!" But this is absurdly reductionist, and would be comical in how dishonest or stupid it is, if it didn't threaten to doom us all. Tell someone they're a piece of shit who needs to go stand in the corner with the other pieces of shit enough, and eventually you'll generate a person who sympathizes and bands together with the other pieces of shit, no matter how virtuous they may have once been. Do this to everyone who ever produces a whiff of bad smell, and you're going to make a real problem for yourself.
I'm sensitive to this right now, because what I genuinely predict is a worse Trump in 4-8 years. Because all the political talk I see out there indicates to me that few have learned anything. Like earlier today when I was looking at comments on a political meme post about holding Democrat's feet to the fire after putting them in power, and the only comment bringing up how this worked out in 2008-2010 generating nothing but responses defending Obama. The irony is fucking incredible. We're going to get worse than Trump, because Democrat neoliberalism is going to double down. Everyone's going to continue to feel the crunch of working harder and harder year after year under increasing productivity demands, while their lives get continually poorer and more unstable, and the apocalypse looms ever larger over an endless horizon of riot cops and surveillance cameras. Plenty of those fed up with it will become both party-hating lefty anarchists like me. But plenty of others will rub shoulders with the other pipeline, one way or another. They repeat something they heard but don't feel too much conviction about to the wrong person while lost in an understandable haze of confused angst, get called a piece of shit who needs to go stand with the other pieces of shit, and there's one more likely shoved down the rabbit hole towards Ultra-Trump 2024. And watch... the Democrats will force someone barely distinguishable from Normal Trump through their primaries and tell us that we have to vote for them to stop Ultra-Trump, less we be held responsible for whatever happens when Ultra-Trump is elected, who is the greatest threat to democracy the world has ever seen (while shitting all over any semblance of democracy in their own primary). Meanwhile, Michelle and Ellen or their 2024 equivalents will start to talk about how they're actually best friends with the Normal Trump family.
Apparently he was convinced that liberals and SJW's were abusing the country, and that the turnout of votes reflected that. I had no clue what he was talking about, do people really feel that way
I'm all for not criminalizing some drugs but I've never understood how anyone can look at the results of total decriminalization and think it's a good thing.
My comment wasn't about that stuff, though. It was about somebody being snapped at for saying something critical of Biden, whether true or not. I'm pretty sure Iduno is a Democrat-hating progressive like me, not a conservative troll?I mean, at this point I'm not even sure, is the thing. I thought that, too, but a dem hating progressive would probably at least try to back up their shittalking, and this seems to the third time I can remember in recent-ish memory their reaction to being asked to bloody put up has been to go silent. They're certainly democrat hating, but what beyond that I don't bloody know anymore.
I'm personally pretty fucking sketch about folks equivocating trump and biden these days, though, for what it's worth. Disliking, even hating the dems is one thing, going that far is carrying water for the goddamn far-right.
Point me to those multiple times where Biden left thousands of his supporters stranded in the middle of nowhere, because his campaign couldn't be arsed to plan *basic logistics* around buses.Like, there is no wise choice.Uh, yes, yes there is. One candidate has gotten a quarter million americans killed in just the last year. The other one hasn't!
Go with the one that hasn't lead more of the country's citizens to the grave in the last 10 months than the entire vietnam war. Shit ain't complicated.
They both want to, but only one has had the ability. Remember when Biden told people to go stand in line for 8 hours in freezing weather to vote for him in person in the primary, even though mail in voting was allowed? And how many people caught COVID from that?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Sit down.
