I'm not about trying to rehabilitate true believer fascists, and my earlier comment wasn't about the sensibilities of Trump supporters. I'm roughly aligned with MSH's opinion on this point.
The only thing I'd throw in is echoing roughly what bloop_bleep said. People aren't born fascists. They're driven to it by a combination of fear, insecurity, humiliation, unstable circumstances, propaganda, and cult figures. Ultimately summarized as bad times + cultural issues. And *one of* the culture issues I'm referring to specifically is: If we are indiscriminately mocking and smug towards people who aren't yet fascists, we drive them away from our culture towards the one that will accept them. That the ideology will follow is an inevitability.
I know many out there will quickly retort "If someone decides to become a fascist because someone said something mean to them, then they were probably a fascist piece of shit all along and we don't want them!" But this is absurdly reductionist, and would be comical in how dishonest or stupid it is, if it didn't threaten to doom us all. Tell someone they're a piece of shit who needs to go stand in the corner with the other pieces of shit enough, and eventually you'll generate a person who sympathizes and bands together with the other pieces of shit, no matter how virtuous they may have once been. Do this to everyone who ever produces a whiff of bad smell, and you're going to make a real problem for yourself.
My comment wasn't about that stuff, though. It was about somebody being snapped at for saying something critical of Biden, whether true or not. I'm pretty sure Iduno is a Democrat-hating progressive like me, not a conservative troll?
Also, I'm not going to bother looking up a source right now, but I do remember Biden putting out messages urging people to get out and vote for him in the Wisconsin primary, at the same time that Bernie was putting out messages telling people to stay home because it's not worth the risk.
I'm sensitive to this right now, because what I genuinely predict is a worse Trump in 4-8 years. Because all the political talk I see out there indicates to me that few have learned anything. Like earlier today when I was looking at comments on a political meme post about holding Democrat's feet to the fire after putting them in power, and the only comment bringing up how this worked out in 2008-2010 generating nothing but responses defending Obama. The irony is fucking incredible. We're going to get worse than Trump, because Democrat neoliberalism is going to double down. Everyone's going to continue to feel the crunch of working harder and harder year after year under increasing productivity demands, while their lives get continually poorer and more unstable, and the apocalypse looms ever larger over an endless horizon of riot cops and surveillance cameras. Plenty of those fed up with it will become both party-hating lefty anarchists like me. But plenty of others will rub shoulders with the other pipeline, one way or another. They repeat something they heard but don't feel too much conviction about to the wrong person while lost in an understandable haze of confused angst, get called a piece of shit who needs to go stand with the other pieces of shit, and there's one more likely shoved down the rabbit hole towards Ultra-Trump 2024. And watch... the Democrats will force someone barely distinguishable from Normal Trump through their primaries and tell us that we have to vote for them to stop Ultra-Trump, less we be held responsible for whatever happens when Ultra-Trump is elected, who is the greatest threat to democracy the world has ever seen (while shitting all over any semblance of democracy in their own primary). Meanwhile, Michelle and Ellen or their 2024 equivalents will start to talk about how they're actually best friends with the Normal Trump family.
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