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Do you want or have children, and how do you feel about your situation?

I want children, but I don't have any.-Male
- 64 (41%)
I want children, but I don't have any.-Female
- 2 (1.3%)
I don't want children and I don't have any.-Male
- 72 (46.2%)
I don't want children and I don't have any.-Female
- 6 (3.8%)
I have children and am happy I had them.-Male
- 9 (5.8%)
I have children and am happy I had them.-Female
- 3 (1.9%)
I have children and I regret it.-Male
- 0 (0%)
I have children and I regret it.-Female
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 154


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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2012, 12:00:38 am »

I am completely and 100% joking. That would be an absolutely terrible thing to do.
Ok, good. Just making sure because something like that, except being played by a hypothetical woman in a hypothetical relationship with me, is one of my nightmare scenarios and one of the few nightmare scenarios that I know have actually happened to other people. Not having to worry about someone else "forgetting" or perhaps actually forgetting to take contraception is one of the upsides I see in getting sterilized.
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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2012, 01:38:33 am »

Hm... At present, I've no desire for children. I'm not in a position where I could support them, and even if I were, I'm currently far too self-centered about my life. I'll be honest, most of it is that I don't want to deal with the weight of being responsible for another human being's life, but part of it is also that I don't think the hypothetical child in question deserves a father who spends a lot of time wishing he were doing something else. Standard wimpy responsibility aversion on my part, I know. I occasionally do have thoughts about the awesome bits, though, and have enough theories on what I'd do as a parent that I don't want to rule the possibility out ever, but at the moment it's not an adjustment to my lifestyle that I want. I'm at a point where the major worry is the impact the kid would have on my life, rather than vice versa, which as sure a sign as any I know that I'm not at a point where I should have kids.
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« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2012, 02:58:46 am »

I dunno, tbh.

On paper, there's so many reasons NOT to have lots of kids. I mean, after seeing a lot of people grow up (including siblings and relatives), I firmly believe in nature counts more than nurture. And no matter how well you bring some kids up, some people are just going to be fucked up losers who you end up spending a fortune to keep out of trouble. There's no way to have preventive maintenance on those people, aside from keeping them in a cage (or prison).

Creating a person is sort of a lottery to see whether you get a good one or bad one or some horribly normal one; it doesn't even matter how well you educate or discipline them. That alone is probably the biggest reason why I don't want kids... every family has their black sheep, even the good families.


On the other hand, my mother has like 13 siblings and it's actually quite awesome to live with them. I think family brings in a hell lot more than it suggests on paper. If you were to write down the pros of having a large family on paper, it would probably just boil down to loneliness, but it's much more than that.

You have someone always watching your back. You have people who will unconditionally let you sleep in their home and eat your food for as long as you want. You have people who'd take a pay cut and day off to send you to the hospital if you get a heart attack and even wipe your ass. You basically have these people who'll love you no matter how much you mess up, even if they give you a really hard time.

Plus, on the business side, with enough family or kids, you're bound to make a lot of contacts. A lot of people start doing great deeds at 40-50, around that age, your investment in having kids really pays off. I'm quite a achiever-personality type person, and I think that even if you don't take over the world by the time you're 80, at least you've accomplished something by teaching your kids how to take over the world. And assuming you live long enough, you'll get a lot of fun just by watching them do it. And in certain countries, children often give back a little money to their parents, so that makes it directly profitable as well.

(On the other hand, whatever business benefits you get is countered by the fact that if you have enough kids, one of them is going to sell off family heirlooms or bring in a loan shark on your house)


I think the saddest thing in society is this trend where educated people don't want kids. Nobody is better off having them than educated people. I mean, c'mon, children are the future. If everyone chooses not to have children, people go extinct. If the educated people are having no kids and the uneducated ones are having lots of them, well, that can't be good for society.

There's this really sad morality where people would rather save like $500k for a nice car and big house than get a few kids. If you don't like children or think they're annoying, completely valid reason. But picking a career or money over family is just really sad. Especially when a kid brings in so much more actual happiness (to most people) than some nice furniture and a slightly bigger house.
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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2012, 03:09:17 am »

I would very much like to have children in the future.
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« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2012, 04:45:42 am »

I have one, and will keep it at one.
I've fulfilled my moral obligation to procreate (having superior genes will do that to you (which sounds supercocky, I know, but apart from myopia I've got a pretty awesome package (of genes, that is))). Now to raise it as a happy person with self-confidence, that's the hard part...

The poll is weird though, you'll be hard pressed to find any parent who actually regrets having kids, but I assure you that 99% of them has fantasies about "life without kids" ;)
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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2012, 05:11:44 am »

I don't particularly like kids, but it might just be because they are other people's kids and not my own. I'm sort of agnostic on the whole prospect. There is the whole cocky 'superior genes' motive to have kids.

My job actually pays extra for having dependants as well as other benefits, so if I did have kids it would not be such a liability or financial mistake like it usually is, I could easily afford it either way. So, hell, if I'm incentived to do so, might as well, right? This line of thinking on the subject is pretty self-centered, so I don't think I've actually come up with any legitimate reason to have kids just yet.
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« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2012, 05:28:04 am »

Not only do I believe I would make a terrible father, but I'm asexual, and therefore wouldn't end up being one anyway. Furthermore, in my intended career path I likely wouldn't have time to properly raise a child.
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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2012, 10:35:51 am »

kids are still stressful and taking care of any above 2 1 at the same time is hell.

Fixed. I never realized how serious Bill Cosby was when he commented, "If you only have one child, I don't really consider that a parent." Because it's an entirely different dynamic with 2+.
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« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2012, 10:38:46 am »

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Not only do I believe I would make a terrible father, but I'm asexual, and therefore wouldn't end up being one anyway.
The second bit would obviously lower the chance of having them accidentally, but I'm not quite seeing how it would preclude the option? (the first obviously might)
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« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2012, 10:52:17 am »

kids are still stressful and taking care of any above 2 1 at the same time is hell.
Fixed. I never realized how serious Bill Cosby was when he commented, "If you only have one child, I don't really consider that a parent." Because it's an entirely different dynamic with 2+.
"One is an accessory, two is a lifestyle", according to a lady-friend who has two buggers. Still, one makes you a parent.

We usually take a walk during lunch hour at my current job. Normally, where I live, you cross the street and it's the cars that have to watch out for the pedestrians. However, in front of me a mother+kid stopped to wait, and I stopped as well, as my colleagues just walked on. Being around kids automatically puts me in "responsible role-model behaviour mode", which was weird to notice.
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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2012, 11:07:39 am »

-Certainly don't have the time/money to take care of myself+1, let alone throwing kids into the mix. 
-Looking at how apathetic/hostile I feel toward the rest of my family, don't want to gamble on what my kid's personality would be like
-Don't want to pass on shitty conditions/genes
-Think it's bullshit that people are all "ooh ooh gotta procreate" while orphanages are packed. 

So, yeah, not a chance in hell I'm having kids, and if for whatever reason I was going to, I'd adopt. 

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« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2012, 03:02:36 pm »

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And then one day i will be know as the granddaddy of all poo accounts, i would make the poo account bloodline and be in the engravements years to come!

The rather disgusting thing appart, i would (ironically) hate to change a diaper, but i would love to fullfill my biological role(i.e bad excuse for unprotected sexting) and die happy, keeping my kind in the gene pool, all that jazz.
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« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2012, 04:24:54 pm »

When I will be economically stable and have a house for myself, which will happen propably in next ten years or so, I want to have a son.

Propably adopted, because I'm gay and that means no girlfriend for me? The gay part kinda disqualifies me in the eyes of my country's law as far as I know. Meh, always them complications :/
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« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2012, 06:27:16 pm »

I come from a large family (4 brothers and sisters, about 25 cousins) and I absolutely do not want to have my own large family. I am not against having a few kids though. Kids are interesting. But I wouldn't be said if I don't ever have any.

I probably won't make a really good dad anyways xD
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« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2012, 06:59:19 pm »

It's encouraging and depressing at the same time to see everyone having such responsible thoughts on the issue.  It really is a problem that all the wrong people are having the most children.

I have two kids and plan to keep it that way.  I think that if you're going to have kids, it's selfish to have any more or less than two.  No offense to any here who were raised as such, but only children are in too much danger of growing up self-centered.  Siblings contribute immensely to a child's emotional maturity.  You are doing them and the world a disservice by only having one.  Any more than two, and you're increasing global population, which I also believe to be selfish. 

Also, I think it's incredibly beneficial to have them close together in age.  It may be a bit rougher on you in the short term, and they might get annoyed about being unable to have separate social lives outside of the home.  But they'll also be able to do a lot more things together and have a much richer shared history that will lead to a deeper bond later in life.  My siblings were 3, 6, and 10 years younger than me, and they never wanted to do anything with me.  Most of my interaction with them, especially the last two, were in a babysitting role.

There will never be a perfect time to have kids.  You will always be able to think of some unfulfilled ambition or further preparation as an excuse to put it off.  It also gets harder as you get older.  Kids take a ton of energy.  You'll miss many nights of sleep.  You'll be a lot more capable of handling this in your 20s than in your 30s.  You'll also get do to more things with them and be around for more of their lifetime.  My parents had me when they were 20, and I love that my dad was able to play full contact sports with me in my teen years.  Now that I'm 28, my parents are still healthy enough that we're looking for opportunities to go on a couple last adventures together, all as adults.  One thing we want to do is a motorcycle trip from Indiana to Alaska.  Ten years from now, I doubt they'll have the fortitude.  My dad's already had a minor stroke and heart problems.  It wouldn't have been the same had I been born a few years later.

I had my first kid at 21.  It was an accident, and I wish it had happened under better circumstances.  I've lost a ton of opportunities.  Do wait for a good relationship and some financial stability.  I mean stability, not wealth.  Don't set a six-figure income as your pre-requisite goal.  Still, it's great to enjoy my youth together with and invest in my kids.  I might fantasize about life without kids or even if I had just waited a few years, but I really have few regrets.

It's great to see so many people talking about adoption.

Finally, if you choose not to have any kids, please PLEASE go out and spend time with some anyway.  Hang out with friends and family who have them.  Babysit for them.  Get at least a taste of the experience of parenting.  I don't think everyone has to enjoy being around children or go out of their way to learn to like them.  However, I do think exposure to children is an essential component of personal growth as an adult.  With so many people choosing to avoid kids or waiting until their 30's, I feel there is an epidemic of spoiled, bratty adults among my generation.  The majority of people my age without children seem to have no patience for anyone but themselves and no appreciation (and thus no compassion) for the needs and difficulties of parents.  They flip the fuck out at the slightest child-like disturbance of their perfect adult-only world, and harbor a poisonous hatred for parents whose responsibilities get in the way of other adult stuff, such as being unable to go out and do things spontaneously or requiring extra time off from work ("OMG parents get unfair special privileges!").

Ultimately, I do not think children are about contributing to the gene pool or continuation of the species or being lovable and fun or filling some void in your life or some investment that will pay itself back later on.  What they have to offer more than anything else is personal growth.  I personally don't think there is any magical life-changing moment when you see your kid for the first time or unbreakable spiritual bond or deeply buried instincts that get awakened or anything like that.  Parenting is confusing, terrifying, draining, frustrating, humbling, and in every way a learning experience that you cannot get otherwise.  You have a human being who depends on you 100% for absolutely everything all day every day.  You have to provide for them and teach them how to live.  I cannot emphasize enough how much of a personal growth experience this is.  You learn so much about responsibility, compassion, and the nature of humanity and life in general by dedicating yourself to the growth of another human being from something that squirms in the palm of your hand to an adult who can kick your middle-aged ass if you deserve it.  The only way to elevate oneself is by rising to a challenge, and parenting is one of the greatest challenges there is.
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