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Do you want or have children, and how do you feel about your situation?

I want children, but I don't have any.-Male
- 64 (41%)
I want children, but I don't have any.-Female
- 2 (1.3%)
I don't want children and I don't have any.-Male
- 72 (46.2%)
I don't want children and I don't have any.-Female
- 6 (3.8%)
I have children and am happy I had them.-Male
- 9 (5.8%)
I have children and am happy I had them.-Female
- 3 (1.9%)
I have children and I regret it.-Male
- 0 (0%)
I have children and I regret it.-Female
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 154


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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2012, 07:14:32 pm »

I will also state, even if you don't plan to have kids yourself. Getting yourself into a position you can be around them and make a positive impact on their lives is one of the best things you can do.

When you start getting to know a child better, and they know and trust you. Sometimes you'll be shocked about the things you can learn about yourself through them. Not to mention being a good friend hopefully.

That's one thing I love honestly. I'm a parent, but my daughter treats me more like a best friend most of the time. And we couldn't be happier.
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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2012, 08:07:01 pm »

SalmonGod, I realize this is a really important subject for you.  I still think that there are some points in that rant there where you really shouldn't be telling everyone else what's best for them, or what their motivations are for doing x or y thing.  A lot of your points could just be argued from another side and made to look equally good.
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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2012, 08:31:17 pm »

That's one thing I love honestly. I'm a parent, but my daughter treats me more like a best friend most of the time. And we couldn't be happier.

Yeah, this is kinda my relationship with my roommate~
We're not as close, but it's still more a friends relationship than anything else, which is why I call her my roommate~

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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2012, 08:35:45 pm »

There is absolutely no evidence to support this lingering "only children grow up selfish" myth. As someone who is an only child that kind of attitude irritates me to no end.
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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2012, 08:39:24 pm »

Well protip: Don't ever, ever have three children. And if you do, make sure that the middle child isn't the only male.
It is all the lonely of being an only child, but none of the love and care.

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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2012, 08:44:37 pm »

Well protip: Don't ever, ever have three children. And if you do, make sure that the middle child isn't the only male.
It is all the lonely of being an only child, but none of the love and care.
hmm..... (thinks of little brother and thinks of little sister killing each other on daily basis)

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« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2012, 08:49:27 pm »

Was their a large gap between you and your younger siblings?

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« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2012, 08:50:01 pm »

Was their a large gap between you and your younger siblings?
pfft, 2-5 years

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« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2012, 08:51:10 pm »

I'm one of three. I'm 19, sister's 16 and a half, brother's 14. It's pretty good.

I've always been a very family-oriented person, and with the only genetic flaw being that we are prone to migraines.

I've grown up alongside lots of cousins- my parent's youngest first cousins are a little bit older than me, and my youngest first cousin is almost 18 years younger than me. As the oldest in my generation, I was always charged with looking after the littlies.

And I definitely think I want children. Not now of course, I'd rather be financially stable first.

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« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2012, 08:55:24 pm »

pfft, 2-5 years
The middle one was lonely, you just didn't notice because they weren't getting enough attention for anybody to ntoice.
Totally not even projecting my feelings onto others, because I'm waaay too cool to do that.

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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2012, 08:58:39 pm »

SalmonGod, I realize this is a really important subject for you.  I still think that there are some points in that rant there where you really shouldn't be telling everyone else what's best for them, or what their motivations are for doing x or y thing.  A lot of your points could just be argued from another side and made to look equally good.

I don't mean it to come across that way.  I didn't even mean for it to seem like a rant.  The only part I meant that way was the part about having two kids if you're going to have any.  I'm not judging anyone for not having kids or anything like that.  I was just trying to share my thoughts.  Parents seem to be a minority here, so I thought there was a lot left unsaid about perspective that seems to only come from being a parent. 

The thing I most wanted to relate is that I think it's important to spend time around children if you can, not because children are wonderful or anything, but because it's just a healthy experience.  It seems really common these days for people to think of it as "I don't like kids and they would prevent me from focusing on stuff that I want.  So I should just avoid kids."  I've lost touch with a bunch of offline friends who think this way.  It's not because I care about whether they have kids or not.  It's because they can't be bothered to make the effort to put up with mine, and they get annoyed with the reality that I can't just abandon them to go do things spontaneously.  Eventually, they just stop calling.  I'm talking about educated (PhD level, even) people from their mid-20s to 30s, who still have that self-centered teenage level of social/emotional maturity because they avoid any catalyst into their lives that would help them to grow past that.  Looking back at how I've changed and grown over the last several years compared to the people I know who have not grown at all has led me to believe that this is the most valuable thing that children have to offer us, and I just want people to ponder that.

I recognize that some people, you among them, have circumstances which make tolerating children especially difficult, and not in any way that reflects on your character.  That's a different thing entirely, so don't take anything above personally.

There is absolutely no evidence to support this lingering "only children grow up selfish" myth. As someone who is an only child that kind of attitude irritates me to no end.

Sorry.  I've known several only children who are incredibly self-centered.  If the world doesn't revolve around them, they will make it revolve around them.  Have to receive exclusive attention on demand and do not know how to share.  My grandmother was one, and she's responsible for a ton of drama in my family.  My wife is another, to a lesser extent.

It's not a hard rule.  Only children can turn out fine.  You just have to be diligent about putting them in lots of social situations and, most importantly, limiting the exclusive attention that you give them. This is the major thing because sharing attention is an incredibly important social skill that is difficult to learn when all attention you receive growing up is the exclusive kind.  When adults go into pay-attention-to-the-kid-mode, it becomes a back and forth exchange of attention between the child and the group.  Most of the only children I know have this style of social behavior where they feel the need to compete for attention (they get annoyed when it's divided among a group as equals instead of an exchange between them and the group), where other people don't seem to feel that need.

I admit this could all just be personal belief based on a few anecdotes, plus confirmation bias.  For now, my belief is just that it's best not to raise a kid in a household where they're the only one.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2012, 09:19:39 pm by SalmonGod »
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« Reply #71 on: January 24, 2012, 09:04:43 pm »

The skew towards male is..much larger than I would have anticipated.
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« Reply #72 on: January 24, 2012, 09:06:13 pm »

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Re: Parents or Childfree?
« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2012, 09:12:44 pm »

pfft, 2-5 years
The middle one was lonely, you just didn't notice because they weren't getting enough attention for anybody to ntoice.
Totally not even projecting my feelings onto others, because I'm waaay too cool to do that.
Lonely? shit i spend more time with my brother than my sister, i talk to the kid all day, me and him use to RP when we were young with anything we can find.
If anyone's lonely it was my sister since she barely sees her friends (her choice too) and i really don't want to talk to her cause i'll die of brain hemorrhaging from listening to "blahblahblahblahblah"

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« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2012, 01:01:55 am »

Quote from: Max White
Well protip: Don't ever, ever have three children. And if you do, make sure that the middle child isn't the only male.
It is all the lonely of being an only child, but none of the love and care.

You just described me to a 'T' up until I turned 13.
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