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Author Topic: ___/The Writer's Apprenticeship\___  (Read 313130 times)

Ehndras

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Re: ___/The Writer's Apprenticeship\___
« Reply #270 on: June 05, 2012, 02:01:22 pm »

I don't understand why you're calling it an m-dash rather than a dash. M meaning...?
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« Reply #271 on: June 05, 2012, 02:19:51 pm »

Because it's the longest dash I can imagine; and letter "m" is the longest letter in existence; therefore, cacti are green.

In truth, that's what I found on the Internet about dashes some time ago; in other kinds of text (than Internet) there are apparently very different kinds of dashes (and even hyphens). Of course, on the Internet it's all the same kind of thing "-", unless you eavesdrop on some screenwriters who do "--". Maybe I should do it, too, to look especially smart.

Also, when I went into special characters in my word processor I found a cornucopia of various dashes and dash-like structures-- But I'm expounding on the questions you didn't ask (for the one you did ask the answer is somewhere above, although I'm afraid it's a bit undercover).
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« Reply #272 on: June 05, 2012, 03:53:17 pm »

Anyway, it doesn't really help; I still don't know what I should have used in that sentence, apparently not a dash--a semi-colon then?
Personally, I only use semicolons in lit, essays, or professional writing. Otherwise I just use a comma, because no one really cares.

Dashes are generally a stronger form of punctuation than the semicolon, probably best to use them only to replace the colon (another piece of punctuation that I rarely use) or the casually used ellipses (the '...' one not the '. . .' one).

I don't understand why you're calling it an m-dash rather than a dash. M meaning...?
Because an em is some obscure typographical unit of measurement and an en is half that. I think they used to be related to the width of the letters M and N, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer true in the case of the former, and absolutely sure it isn't in the case of the latter.

Anyway, the best way to tell the difference between a dependent and independent clause is to

A-Look for a subordinator
B-See if the verb is non-finite, generally meaning it isn't preceded by a form of be, have, do, will, one of the modal verbs, or inflected with one of the preceding (ie 'ran' can also be glossed as 'did run')
C-Check if it begins with a relativizer (the wh-words and that)

If none of the above apply, you're dealing with two independent clauses so use a semicolon. tl;dr: 'Too long; didn't read' doesn't need one because too long is just an adjective. 3:
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Re: ___/The Writer's Apprenticeship\___
« Reply #273 on: June 05, 2012, 07:55:48 pm »

Suddenly, grammar and typography attacked the thread! The writers knew they were routed, and lit the white flag of surrender, taking their shirts off and singing numbers from the Spamalot musical. Unfortunately, the audacious surrender was unconvincing, and they were struck down by the utter insanity of whatever the hell is coming out of my keyboard.

Yeah...
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« Reply #274 on: June 07, 2012, 08:19:51 am »

I must admit, it's nice to spice up a text with some semi-colons. Kudos to fqlive and Willfor, I believe.

So as not to leave this reply completely non-thought provoking, I'll add the following deep philosophical observation. Yeah, I know my previous reply didn't make a whole lot of sense, and it probably would have been better, smarter, and more honest to say that I don't remember, but I'm reading a Douglas Adams book and just can't help attempting whimsy. I'm still reading it, so I can't promise anything about this reply.

So, there was time I turned an alarm clock on twice a day and wrote or conceptualized for a half an hour. I can't stop being amazed how much sense and purpose it brought into my life (at least I think it did). It's not just doing something day by day, step by step; I've tried some other activities, like playing guitar, but it just didn't have the same vibe. Maybe it's something about making writing the first and the last thing of the day. Especially an early day. Or maybe it's just nostalgia. Speaking of which.

There's a story I abandoned last fall, and there's a passage in it that I used to be very proud of and (or because) it took me a week or more to come up with. So here's for a trial of my wit:
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Or of how hopeless I am, if you agree with my assessment on this re-reading.
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« Reply #275 on: June 07, 2012, 08:25:42 am »

Its your passion, my friend!

My twin passions are piano and writing.

I've done so many activities, I sing, compose music, play multiple instruments, draw, paint, and so much more, but nothing makes me feel... Transcendent like playing the piano or writing.

Writing on a plan is good enough, but the best is when I just suddenly get inspire and pop, hours fly by. I don't know what the hell I wrote because I was so into just writing it, hehe, so even reading it over is an adventure for me.

Everyone has a few passions that make life feel like its totally worth it... Music and writing are mine, absolutely damn right they are.

That timer thing sounds really interesting. I've never tried that, but I've done a more loosely 'let me listen to some good music and read some Lovecraft/Nietszche/Etc and see if I get inspired to write'. Reading a good story/philosophy while setting the mood with fitting melodies is one hell of a way to dig through the wall of writer's block and reveal the adamantine thoughts within ;)
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« Reply #276 on: June 08, 2012, 08:13:33 am »

Just a way of managing attention deficit (I mean the timer thing).

Otherwise, oh crap; I think I've plugged myself into a corner again. You see, for about a month I've been delaying any serious writing attempts on the basis of preparing for the finals and other matters of this kind. Which means, quite expectedly, almost ceaseless procrastination. But the worst part of it is, that in the meantime I still managed to become invested in a couple of ideas (which I have almost no idea how to approach, by the way), while my writing prospect involved complete transcendental disinvestment from ideas and a hope that I would be able to instead con people into giving their ideas to me via a collaboration thread here. I don't think that it's going to work with me now being invested.

On the top of that, I've suddenly become disillusioned in this forum's ability to be conned into giving their ideas to me via a collaboration thread. That makes me pretty depressed, especially since I also came to the conclusion that this forum is the biggest place for this kind of undertaking.

So, people here wouldn't have any advice for my plight, would you?
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« Reply #277 on: June 08, 2012, 09:44:28 am »

Yeah, I'm hoping for some help with ideas for my Scifi but no one's biting. I've amassed a group of 15 or so Skype friends from various sites that I throw ideas at on a daily basis though, so that helps. Hell, if you have skype you're welcome to join. Last time one of my guys suggested replicators based on my Skyborn Void-Swarm design they got into a f*cking 11-hour long discussion that lasted from when I went to work to when I got home again.
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« Reply #278 on: June 08, 2012, 10:01:08 am »

I'm kind of used to you being a philosophy guy, and now suddenly you're talking about sci-fi-- :( Dissonance. :P

Anyway, what's your party usually like? What time do you get together? I imagine it's mostly text, because otherwise I can't imagine an 11-hour voice conversation...
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« Reply #279 on: June 08, 2012, 10:56:30 am »

Yeah, mostly text. They only get on voice-chat when I'm around. Well, its me(obviously), my programmer/business-partner Ashton1993, my fellow B12er Astrom(forgot his user), Ibid Straydrinker(gamer extraordinaire), PyroDesu(my main RPer, hell of a guy), like 4-5 other Bay12ers, and then some other folks I met on other games who's names would mean nothing to you.

Oh, and Descan. Descan's there too, always sexually harassing me. :P And Askot Bokbondeler, who I was delighted to discover speaks my mother's native tongue. Edio's from my original group too, but he got banned from Skype. <_< Long story, lol.

But anyway, anyone who wants to join us is more than welcome. We play a dozen or so games together (SoTS, Civilization IV/V, minecraft, terraria, The Ship, Etc), RP, discuss everything from global politics to philosophy to quantum physics, and generally have a hell of a time on a regular basis. :)

I've been very absent from the chat group lately, but I should be getting back on. Speaking of that, I should sign into Skype. Derp.

Also, my Scifi/Fantasy project are both steeped in heavy philosophy. My unique approach at gaming is to create an artificial simulation that brings out the highs and lows of your psychological identity and identifies your behavioral cues, which then allows me to profile you and assist you in working out your issues through RP without realizing it.

Effectively, I'm trying to develop a technique for video-game-based therapy ;) Its done a load of good for myself and my more involved players, and has brought us together into what is practically a family setting. We're a lot like argumentative siblings who love each other but argue about complex ideas and whether or not a certain philosophy makes sense or not just because we can, but still. I still haven't forgiven Ashton for starting that 9-hour discussion about Von Neumann self-replicating probes and the alien-contact/civilization paradox following our 4-person game of Sword of the Stars. >:( Lmao, that was entertaining but frustrating as all hell.

Anyway, I'll let you be the judge. I'm just hammering off at the mouth, not even sure what I typed because I'm listening to 3 conversations at work simultaneously and on the phone with an insurance company as well. Derp.
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« Reply #280 on: June 08, 2012, 11:35:32 am »

Double post because my work computer is dicks.
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« Reply #281 on: June 08, 2012, 11:46:17 am »

I might as well post the intro post (Turn 00) of my original Hyperion scifi RP. It was before I actually decided to do anything canonical. I was making rolls and doing a very loose, unofficial RP and then gradually decided to make it srs-business, which clashed really hard.

My old players and I spent the last 9 months  on skype (god, has it really been nearly a year!?) reworking the entire Hyperion storyline into a MASSIVE, far-reaching multiversal chain of intersecting storylines taking place in various dimensions, galaxies, and entire universes, taking aspects of various genres and RP game ideas and merging them into one all-encompassing system. Its... Really complicated. I'm working on a Wiki to explain the history, which will end up looking like the 50,000 year timeline on the Warhammer 40K wiki <_< (Yes, warhammer is a huge late-game inspiration of mine. Their wiki is INSANELY complicated, I spent half of last week reading the entire content of their wiki  :o )

Anyway, here's an example of my Scifi writing style. I was experimenting with a very different type of writing and setting, so there were quite a few kinks, but I feel I incorporated my vivid poetic imagery quite well into the gritty yet non-serious style, especially in Turn 01, which I'll post next. I was just making it up as I went so there's no real order or sense to it.


Aaand, turn 01.

Edit 1: Damn, computer freezing, must restart. brb.

Edit 2: Oh look, firefox crashed. IE crashed. Quickbooks crashed. Fuck is up with my work computer?
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« Reply #282 on: June 08, 2012, 12:31:18 pm »

I'll let you be the judge of that. :P

Unfortunately I'm the kind of guy that's tried to get into RP (sort of), who likes to lead, though, and who's never managed it, at least on the Internets. Or to be properly honest, I've never seen much value in it, even when you look at it from the point of view involving therapy. I'm just kind of a loner. My writing problems are, no doubt, related to that (at least from the feedback side).

Anyway, you have some idea of my writing philosophy; so I can't say much positive about that spoiler, starting from the grounds that the beginning has been done to death; although I must compliment your vocabulary - feels quite robust.

I'm up for a party at your e-joint. I'm supermikhail00pa . I'd appreciate it if a group of people could give my problem a bit of thought.
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« Reply #283 on: June 08, 2012, 12:35:10 pm »

Ah, RP. I've never found a better source of quality, coherent insanity. Much fun!
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« Reply #284 on: June 08, 2012, 02:35:57 pm »

Aye, I figured RPing my scifi would help bring out new ideas and it certainly has! Its very difficult to adapt to RP what is meant to be in a novel, but its doable. I had to simplify the hell out of many things and didn't want to use my actual scifi background and severely limit the RP's potential, so I went with the 'fuck am I doing here? Who am I?' beginning for the station because I felt it'd be best for the players' actions to develop the story as I went along.

Also, here's the first official turn of the RoH before I took it down and decided to actually make a new RP based off of the massive amount of Scifi content I developed.

Turn 01: Reawaken the Void
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