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Voting closed: January 14, 2012, 06:17:21 pm

[Ibid Straydrink]

The truth is much stranger- Don is an existentialist.

[alexwazer]

I finally got back into training blacksmith. I made 4 light melka chain mail, which got bonus durability and protection. They look horrid, even with copper or gold finish, so I doubt anyone would be interested. Still, if anyone wants some free heavy armor and don't mind looking horrible and/or wear robes, let me know. I already fed one to my spirit weapon and it's starving for more, so this offer ends soon

The truth is much stranger- Don is an existentialist.

How did you find out about that?

[krisslanza]

Well knocked out G2 for Irmin now. Not sure if I'll try G3... it does give 40AP at the end, but there's you know Baol to have to do.

I just need to worry on getting  Estus through G1 and G2 now, which I think will go pretty easy. No idea what I'd use her Goddess enchant on though. And then I need to play Aldegund still, but I'll probably wait for Gunner for that.

[alexwazer]

Baol isn't that much of an issue. As an elf, the infiltration mission is literally a walk in the park thanks to hide, a magma filled park, Dwarven style. As for the finale, you just need some good support. And, again as an elf, you can provide a very nice life insurance. As I said yesterday, when it comes to G1-3 I am ALWAYS willing to help, if I have time.

[Seriyu]

Yeah, baol ain't that bad. It's a midboss/boss rush from the previous gen dungeons (minus big things like tabarthas and Glas, stuff like lycans and nightmare humanoids and such)

It's still very possible to die in it but it's not the huge obstacle it once was.

[SirAaronIII]

So magic craft/ecology/engineering/mineralogy/guns are coming out this Friday (almost guaranteed). Can I see who's planning to do which new skills, if any?

Personally I'm going for magic craft and ecology. I will glue myself to the reserve until they're r1. You gotta raise these things all at once; otherwise you'll get to like rD and never do it again.

[Seriyu]

DON: I misread rare mineralogy, the total AP you need for it is 95, and you get 18 str and 12 int out of it. So it's not super efficient. MAH BAD

[Kaitol]

Well, I wouldn't mind having a spare suit of heavy armor for free. Save a suit for Sigfrain, please?

For anyone curious about the name, it should actually be spelled Cigfran, pronounced SigfrAn. (I think) But Cigfran looks kinda uncool and confuses some people. Plus they end up calling me Cig, which makes me feel like a tobacco product. I think I made it from norse or welsh or something. Translated ... what was it... sword and queen and smacked them together? I forget, came up with the name a long time ago.

I sperg about names a lot.

[krisslanza]

So magic craft/ecology/engineering/mineralogy/guns are coming out this Friday (almost guaranteed). Can I see who's planning to do which new skills, if any?

Personally I'm going for magic craft and ecology. I will glue myself to the reserve until they're r1. You gotta raise these things all at once; otherwise you'll get to like rD and never do it again.

I'll probably do Hillwen Engineering and Magic Craft, I think are the most "Gunner" ones. Even though I know some are already going to max them, it just feels... wrong for a gunner to not know these things. In my head, that's how it works anyway.

I set up Aldegund, my giant, to get invited into the guild as well. I'm going to have her be all heavy armor as knight/warrior, I think. Irmingard my elf will be light armor as a gunner/warrior, and Estus is right now clothing and straight up Fighter. I'm thinking of making her be Fighter/Warrior, just because Fighter really lacks room clearing ability, and even with her great 1 on 1, I'm not sure how she'll handle any large spawns before they mob her.

[Kaitol]

I'll probably reset someone for gunner. Maybe look into dabbling in whatever I need to make my own bullets.

[Seriyu]

That would be magic crafting! We are unsure if gunners will NEED bullets to shoot, or if it's just a damage boost.

[Girlinhat]

So can we get (cough-cough Seriyu) a guide to the new crafting skills?  Namely, what do they make, the AP costs, and estimated difficulty of the grind?

[Kaitol]

That cheating golem. Apparently theres a bug when you fight a monster with stomp, if you knock it down repeatedly, it can use stomp instantly.

ALL lancer attacks knock down. No wonder I had trouble getting through the stomps. I thought they were coming out awfully fast.

[SirAaronIII]

In the absence/slumber of Seriyu, I'll throw down some links:

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Engineering items list
Magic crafting items list
Engineering AND magic crafting list, on the same page!!! Also has gathering skill (ecology/mineralogy) items
There are also lists on the wiki if you really want to see them in another place for some reason.

AP Costs & Stats:
Shyllien Ecology (gives 12 int 25 mana): 88
Magic Crafting (gives 12 int 12 str 15 stamina): 78
Rare Mineralogy (gives 10 int 18 str): 95
Hillwen Engineering (gives 12 int 12 str 15 stamina): 75

Reportedly, the grind is "worse than blacksmith". Oh boy!!!

We are unsure if gunners will NEED bullets to shoot, or if it's just a damage boost.

From what I've heard (which is probably all he's heard too) the bullets are needed to use the skills, but not to regular attack. But I'd assume that bullets are needed for everything.

[Girlinhat]

From what I hear, bullets are required for skills, and add attack to regular attacks.  You can use a regular attack without ammo.

So for normal shooting, bullets act as "handmade arrows" in that they buff the normal damage rate.