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[Shades]

Prototype was 2 weeks late.
In game development terms that means "right on schedule!"

You have your prototype already?
I only got the register email so far

[ScriptWolf]

I don't think he does have his prototype yet, otherwise everyone would have been sent the email 

[Neyvn]

Wait did i back it or not... Gah...

[Roboboy33]

I have not yet recieved my registration email, is everyone supposed to have gotten one by now?

[Shades]

I have not yet recieved my registration email, is everyone supposed to have gotten one by now?

They say, somewhere on their forums, that if you didn't get it to use the website https://castlestory.net/ and entry an email address there. I assume it has to match the one kickstarter gave them for you.

[Knight of Fools]

The prototype has not been released. It's "register now to receive access to the prototype when it comes out." They only did that because PayPal would have taken back all the money they made through it if they didn't deliver 'something'. They have no definite date for when the prototype will be released, but it's slated to be released, at the latest, in October.

Of course, I only have Beta access. I was expecting to wait anyways.

[burningpet]

Yeah, Pay Pal has given them a deadline to release something, or they wouldn't get their money.

And rightly so in my eyes. a promised reward in return for pledged money is not the same as with the finished project, the reward should count as every bit of a regular business transaction, and as such must follow basic consumer rules, like, you know, actually deliver the reward.

[Shades]

Yeah, Pay Pal has given them a deadline to release something, or they wouldn't get their money.

And rightly so in my eyes. a promised reward in return for pledged money is not the same as with the finished project, the reward should count as every bit of a regular business transaction, and as such must follow basic consumer rules, like, you know, actually deliver the reward.

I'm actually a little surprised they didn't just release what they have, I'm pretty sure noone expects the prototype to do much more than what the demos have shown and even that is likely to be broken and buggy.

[Goron]

Yeah, Pay Pal has given them a deadline to release something, or they wouldn't get their money.

And rightly so in my eyes. a promised reward in return for pledged money is not the same as with the finished project, the reward should count as every bit of a regular business transaction, and as such must follow basic consumer rules, like, you know, actually deliver the reward.

Except no.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/tech/web/kickstarter-refunds/index.html?iref=allsearch

[burningpet]

What in that article says otherwise? you seem to be confusing the REWARD and the PROJECT being funded. the reward should be dealt like any other transaction regardless if the funded project ever got released or not.

[ank]

just want to rage at the journalistic standards at CNN:

(...)and not fall into its broadly defined "prohibited content" clause. (This being the Internet, we're presuming they're mostly taking about porn).

We presume? We presume!? We presume!!!!!!!!!!

Aren't you a journalist? go fucking check what's in the publicly available clause!


and back to the subject:
I think the split in mindset that the article mentions is very apparent, just by looking at this thread.
The horrible threadlocking argument a couple of pages back, really saw people in two camps, depending on mindset.
Werther they saw KS as an investment, or as a normal business transaction.
The solution might be for KS project to clearly mark themselves as either. That way nobody gets to complain because they got the wrong idea about what this particular KS project is about.

[burningpet]

Again, there's need to be a distinction between the Project it self and the Rewards. the project funding it self is not an investment nor a normal business transaction, it is a donation and as such it may be acceptable if a project doesn't deliver its final goal.

however, the rewards themselves are not merely a donation! they are as normal as business transaction should be. its a case of paying money to receive a product or a service, may it be a silly t-shirt, an early access to a prototype or a hand printed manual of a game. otherwise, the ones donating $10,000 and the ones donating $5 get the same deal - helping out to fund the project. theoretically, this is ok, i mean, if you have the money and you could donate $10,000, then there is no difference than donating $5, it the cause that counts. but if you promise something else in return for a higher donation, you are forced by any costumer laws to deliver on that promise because it is no longer just a donation, it's a selling of a product (or service).

If you want to look at it in a different way, its very much like donating to some organization or buying cookies from scouts boys going door to door, where the profits of those sells go to the same organization. if you are paying for the cookies, you have every right to receive them, regardless of where or what cause the profits are going to. whether you should morally demand for the cookies is another thing altogether, but it is fair to accept that game development is not as important as other charities and as such, the backer should in no way feel like being a dick by demanding his rightfully bought reward.

[ank]

As long they are offering items that are in actual existence at the time the KS starts, your argument holds true.
But the point of KS is offering some that *might* exist in the future. There is no promise that they will actually deliver on any of their promises, even the minimum amount.
The prototype didn't exist at the time of the KS launch, like the beta didn't and the final game didn't.
The backers are taking a gamble that the actual game will be made, like any investment.

Comparing to the girl scout cookies, they actually give you the box right when you pay, or at the very least have the cookies on hand. they aren't promising you some cookies in the future, in case that their cookie making programme works.
I must admit I don't know the actual detail of girl scout cookie selling, since we don't have scouts selling stuff here, so the analogy might fail purely on cultural differences.

And no, you should not feel like a dick for demanding you get your reward, after all; investors want their returns.
But you should feel like a dick for yelling about it being delayed, when you know that games will *always* be delayed.

[lordcooper]

It's like lending someone some cash in exchange for payment (in goods) at a later date.  Occasionally someone won't pay you back.

[Mephansteras]

Comparing to the girl scout cookies, they actually give you the box right when you pay, or at the very least have the cookies on hand. they aren't promising you some cookies in the future, in case that their cookie making programme works.
I must admit I don't know the actual detail of girl scout cookie selling, since we don't have scouts selling stuff here, so the analogy might fail purely on cultural differences.

Actually, it's a bit variable. You often order the cookies well ahead of time, and when they're actually available the scouts bring them to you. Or you buy them after the shipments come in, at which point they have them on hand.

It's similar, although I imagine the dates for Girl Scout Cookies are a bit more firm than a kickstarter schedule.

For me, though, it works out the same. I order tasty things (Cookies/Castle Story) and at some point in the future I will be surprised with wonderful stuff. I don't worry about the timing too much.