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Author Topic: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)  (Read 961122 times)

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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2820 on: October 10, 2012, 07:26:10 am »

I believe it does. I always pick the +2 to handgun upgrade for snipers just for that reason.
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2821 on: October 10, 2012, 07:36:10 am »

I believe it does. I always pick the +2 to handgun upgrade for snipers just for that reason.
Yeah, I've noticed my snipers spend a lot of time with their sidearms out.

And I really wish I could give heavies a sidearm. They run out of ammo very quickly, and reloading is sometimes not the best option.
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2822 on: October 10, 2012, 08:16:18 am »

I am totally absolutely loving, and hating, reading those stories.....


So it seems like there's a huge difficulty spike... how long after the game starts does it happen to you?


I've got a thought, which doesn't necessarily imply that XCOM is a bad game. It seems to me like aliens appearing willy nilly behind you and having just one (or two) chances to shoot each turn makes each RNG roll a lot more important. Won't this eventually turn into a glorified version of FTL, where RNG rules but it's still fun?

I mean, that's totally OK for an hour-long game. For a campaign that takes days to complete and with the involvement I see people having...

Still, the odds make it so the attachment people get to the soldiers is amazing :D

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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2823 on: October 10, 2012, 08:31:43 am »

Well, I didn't personally lose a soldier until the first terror mission. Then the fucking Chryssalids happened.
No really, I ran my support guy around a corner into cover and went head first into a Chryssalid. One hit kill by it.

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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2824 on: October 10, 2012, 08:36:40 am »

I am totally absolutely loving, and hating, reading those stories.....


So it seems like there's a huge difficulty spike... how long after the game starts does it happen to you?


I've got a thought, which doesn't necessarily imply that XCOM is a bad game. It seems to me like aliens appearing willy nilly behind you and having just one (or two) chances to shoot each turn makes each RNG roll a lot more important. Won't this eventually turn into a glorified version of FTL, where RNG rules but it's still fun?

I mean, that's totally OK for an hour-long game. For a campaign that takes days to complete and with the involvement I see people having...

Still, the odds make it so the attachment people get to the soldiers is amazing :D
The difficulty spike occured (for me) 2 hours in when my first terror mission popped. The 'pace' of the war changes a bit as the aliens change tactics. To address your concern, this game is nowhere near as random as FTL. While there is a certain 'roguelike' element to XCOM, and there always has been, you can mitigate many of those risks by playing smart. Always move from cover to cover, never rush, be cautious and deliberate while exploring. Things like that.

I've only lost a few people to things totally beyond my control. One was an alien missing me and shooting a UFO power core which detonated and wiped out two of my guys. Even that was partially my fault. Don't walk around in the engine room of the UFO with hostiles around!
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« Reply #2825 on: October 10, 2012, 09:05:57 am »

I've only lost a few people to things totally beyond my control. One was an alien missing me and shooting a UFO power core which detonated and wiped out two of my guys. Even that was partially my fault. Don't walk around in the engine room of the UFO with hostiles around!

Gods, yes! I'm so pleased that this still happens. Blowing up and getting blown up by volatile stuff in X-COM is one of the best parts of that game (yes, I'm looking at you sectoid packed alien base command room!).
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2826 on: October 10, 2012, 09:08:11 am »

I wonder if getting mentally attacked (Which used to always target the weakest unit, and revealed your squad's location to all enemies) still gives them the ability to aim magic blaster bombs into the skyranger. Are there even still blaster bombs?
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2827 on: October 10, 2012, 09:18:41 am »

Panic, both in combat and at the Geoscape, seem slightly broken.

Your first death is like 80% guaranteed to panic someone, regardless of your will stat. I have this Captain (Colin "Voodoo" McKenzie") who literally has not taken a round of fire since the game started. And I've routinely watched him be the one to panic and start opening fire on people. Rookies? I expect that. I even expect it of Squaddies. But panicking immediately on the first death? Maybe the kinds of aliens you're facing serve as a modifier to their panic roll.....because I can't think of any other justifiable reason for it.

Secondly, panic on the Geoscape. I had Canada sitting at 1 bar of panic, the starting level. I get an abduction mission. Canada is targeted and the Panic increase is 1 bar. Obviously, there are more important sites so I choose another country. I finish the mission and am informed Canada is panicking. WTF, Canada? And WTF panic system? If a country can go from copacetic to panicking from one MINOR abduction mission, then there's little point to trying to save any of them!
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2828 on: October 10, 2012, 09:32:09 am »

I've only lost a few people to things totally beyond my control. One was an alien missing me and shooting a UFO power core which detonated and wiped out two of my guys. Even that was partially my fault. Don't walk around in the engine room of the UFO with hostiles around!

Gods, yes! I'm so pleased that this still happens. Blowing up and getting blown up by volatile stuff in X-COM is one of the best parts of that game (yes, I'm looking at you sectoid packed alien base command room!).
Not only that! You get /yelled at/ if a stray shot takes out a flight computer or something. The science lady was quite upset when my heavy machine-gunned the flight computer of our first UFO.
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2829 on: October 10, 2012, 09:32:58 am »

It's Canada, what did you expect?

So how does the multiplayer work?  I noticed units cost points but it doesn't seem to be something where you have a limit to how much you can spend.  Is it like Warhammer where squads are matched up with similar point-cost squads?
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2830 on: October 10, 2012, 09:36:29 am »

From what I've seen, you set up the point cap in the game setup.
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« Reply #2831 on: October 10, 2012, 09:57:01 am »

Speaking of which, Captain "pops" and 3 other recruits died capturing a live muton. Damn you science lady and your absurd requests!
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« Reply #2832 on: October 10, 2012, 10:10:24 am »

I'm playing on normal difficulty so YMMV.  However smoke is a real life saver.  Smoke your guys in cover and let the sniper or flankers do the killing.  Someone critically wounded?  Smoke him so the medic has a chance to actually save him.  Need to stun someone?  Smoke the alien so the guy can move in and stun him.

I don't have SHIV's yet, but I'll soon have all laser weapons up.  I think my main load out will be 1 heavy, 1 sniper, 2x assault 2xsupport/support+rookie.

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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2833 on: October 10, 2012, 10:11:59 am »

Unfortunately, upgraded versions of smoke make it less than ideal to smoke enemies. You don't exactly want to pump up already bad-ass aliens full of combat drugs, do you?
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #2834 on: October 10, 2012, 10:14:27 am »

Unfortunately, upgraded versions of smoke make it less than ideal to smoke enemies. You don't exactly want to pump up already bad-ass aliens full of combat drugs, do you?
Are you certain it works for aliens?
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