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[Jervill]

CBS Snap Poll:
Biden won.
Biden 50%
Ryan  31%
Undecided 19%

I really wish other Dems would realize that when they fight back, they do better than when they're cowering like the stereotypical nerd being beaten up by the schoolyard bully.

[mainiac]

I thought Joe started out kind of weak and on the defense, but as it went on it became more obvious that Paul Ryan didn't actually have any real answers and was just throwing numbers and blame around. Granted, Biden threw some numbers around too and they sounded only slightly less silly than Ryan's but it was really the end that drew it up for me. "Candidates, why you gotta be so mean?" They both dodged the real question, but Ryan just went off on a complete segue and just started spouting every talking point he hadn't gotten to yet. Although I thought Joe clearly checking off an item on his list as he said "47%" was a bit overt.

It ain't subtely it's politrics.  It's as subtle as I am sober. 
Wait, less .

[Glowcat]

CBS Snap Poll:
Biden won.
Biden 50%
Ryan  31%
Undecided 19%

I really wish other Dems would realize that when they fight back, they do better than when they're cowering like the stereotypical nerd being beaten up by the schoolyard bully.

To be fair there's also a CNN poll showing a slight advantage to Ryan. Personally the only place I found Biden to be weaker was on the Benghazi incident, and he did kinda interrupt Ryan and the moderator often which was more annoying although I understand his frustration there. Ryan's various non responses to policy issues were... kinda what bugs me about the Republican party in general but Romney/Ryan in particular.

[Jervill]

The CNN poll was of all voters, the CBS was of actual undecideds, FWIW.

[Karnewarrior]

The thing with Biden interrupting was that Obama proved that was the only way to get Romney-Ryan to stop hogging every minute of the debate with meaningless rhetoric and mudslinging. At the very least they should put their plans out there as a contrast to Obama.

[mainiac]

At the very least they should put their plans out there as a contrast to Obama.

Yeah, this.  I really hope Obama harps on this in the next debate.  Romney has "won" a debate but we still don't know what the hell his goddamn platform is.]

Totally forgot.  Joe Biden made the best fucking meta joke in the history of politics: "Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy?"  TROLOLOL!

People forget that Biden is really, really smart.  He is just in a job where showing off what a brainiac he is wouldn't be too good a move.  But he's got it.

[Zangi]

Oh damn....  I laughed out loud when Ryan said that he could bring "Honesty" as a person at the white house.

[Nadaka]

Why have I not seen Biden kick so much ass before?

[Rilder]

Neither side impressed me of course. (Down with the two party failfest please) However, was it just me or did Ryan come off as sounding like he thought the cold war was still happening? Fair bit of an "Anti Russia" Stance in the Afghanistan discussion.

[Shadowlord]

Why have I not seen Biden kick so much ass before?

I did, when I watched his debate with Palin four years ago.

Oh damn....  I laughed out loud when Ryan said that he could bring "Honesty" as a person at the white house.

Same thing here. 

The moderator was so much better than Lehrer, too. She actually stopped them from going endlessly on about the same thing and made them move onto new subjects, and asked directed/useful questions, instead of asking "What are the differences between you?" repeatedly.

[sluissa]

I actually didn't like the way the moderator handled things... I don't think she was trying to come off as biased... but until Ryan just stopped answering and she called him on it, every question seemed like "Mr. Biden, you screwed up, what do you have to say for yourself. And Mr Ryan, how would you do better?"

I admit... it's a fair question... but the phrasing was bad for a debate, I think.

[Zrk2]

Why have I not seen Biden kick so much ass before?

I did, when I watched his debate with Palin four years ago.

To be fair I could have kicked ass debating Palin.

[Kogan Loloklam]

Scamps would still have destroyed both Biden and Ryan. There's a reason he wasn't invited. Tell me, how is batting a ball around a circle NOT the better than their statements on how to fix the economy.

2012 Vice Presidential Debates? Scamps win, and he wasn't even there.

[mainiac]

I actually didn't like the way the moderator handled things... I don't think she was trying to come off as biased... but until Ryan just stopped answering and she called him on it, every question seemed like "Mr. Biden, you screwed up, what do you have to say for yourself. And Mr Ryan, how would you do better?"

I thought her moderating really helped Biden.  She didn't give Ryan any room to squirm.  Biden was totally fine with having his feet held to the fire.

[Montague]

Idk why people care about the debates, it's basically just reality TV type theatrics.

Words carry no weight, especially not from a political figure. I'd place far more importance on their actions rather then how polished their rehearsed rhetoric and half-memorized statistics are.