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[Leafsnail]

I hadn't heard of the other parts of the Yes campaign using tactics like that though?

[Owlbread]

I hadn't heard of the other parts of the Yes campaign using tactics like that though?

They are all pretty much rallying behind the same stuff.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It is also interesting that you can imagine the UK without Scotland. It's just such a big thing to me though, Scotland's always been so integral to the Union.

It's no more difficult than imagining the UK without Ireland (as in, all of Ireland, not just NI). Even if Scotland splits, there's still England, Wales, Northern Ireland, and Cornwall to be a group of united kingdoms.

[Owlbread]

It is also interesting that you can imagine the UK without Scotland. It's just such a big thing to me though, Scotland's always been so integral to the Union.

It's no more difficult than imagining the UK without Ireland (as in, all of Ireland, not just NI). Even if Scotland splits, there's still England, Wales, Northern Ireland, and Cornwall to be a group of united kingdoms.

Indeed there is, but the RUK will take a very interesting shape. I am not sure how many people will be satisfied with it. We could see further fracturing.

[MonkeyHead]

Whilst here in Wales there is no real hunger for independance (other than amongst extreme nationalists) due to sheer impracticalites and how disadvantaged it would leave us, the fact that Scotland has been given a vote over it has raised eyebrows, and should Scotland go for independance the voices here that think we should have our own referendum will no doubt get louder.

Anyway, this thread should be about the US election, so imma shutting up now as to avoid adding any more to this pretty massive derail.

[Owlbread]

Whilst here in Wales there is no real hunger for independance (other than amongst extreme nationalists) due to sheer impracticalites and how disadvantaged it would leave us, the fact that Scotland has been given a vote over it has raised eyebrows, and should Scotland go for independance the voices here that think we should have our own referendum will no doubt get louder.

Anyway, this thread should be about the US election, so imma shutting up now as to avoid adding any more to this pretty massive derail.

Indeed it should, and I was more geared towards talking about Quebec originally, but I thought it would be safe to derail for a bit while we waited for new stuff to appear about the election.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Quebec, land of the chronically angry, is going to make North American geopolitics very difficult if it becomes independent, especially for Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island.

[Owlbread]

Quebec, land of the chronically angry, is going to make North American geopolitics very difficult if it becomes independent, especially for Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island.

How would these provinces cope with being seperated from the rest of Canada?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Quebec, land of the chronically angry, is going to make North American geopolitics very difficult if it becomes independent, especially for Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island.

How would these provinces cope with being seperated from the rest of Canada?

There are some who suggest that Canada's bisection would lead to one side or the other being eaten by the US, but more likely they'd just have to cope with permanent and severe logistical problems not helped by Quebec's likely antagonism in such a scenario.

[Owlbread]

Quebec, land of the chronically angry, is going to make North American geopolitics very difficult if it becomes independent, especially for Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island.

How would these provinces cope with being seperated from the rest of Canada?

There are some who suggest that Canada's bisection would lead to one side or the other being eaten by the US, but more likely they'd just have to cope with permanent and severe logistical problems not helped by Quebec's likely antagonism in such a scenario.

I can't see Nova Scotia leaving Canada to join the USA. I remember when I was there almost every flag I saw was a maple leaf. The Nova Scotian flags that I saw were flying together with maple leafs almost exclusively, and believe me, I saw flags on nearly every second house.

[Willfor]

Yeah, Atlantic Canada has a LOT of pro-confederation people. Source: I live there.

We really don't want to separate from Canada, and we really don't want Quebec to separate. Though to be fair, an important portion of our economy is based on seasonal labour, which the Albertans would see us heavily penalized for with their EI reforms...

[Owlbread]

Yeah, Atlantic Canada has a LOT of pro-confederation people. Source: I live there.

We really don't want to separate from Canada, and we really don't want Quebec to separate. Though to be fair, an important portion of our economy is based on seasonal labour, which the Albertans would see us heavily penalized for with their EI reforms...

Where in Atlantic Canada are you from, out of interest? And it is interesting, because was there not a desire in the 19th century for Nova Scotia to remain an independent British colony?

[Willfor]

New Brunswick.

There may have been a desire in the past, but that was before confederation worked so damn well. I think there's still a bit of independence in Newfoundland, simply because they were an independent colony for a much longer time, but there hasn't been very much independence talk around here for a long time.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I can't see Nova Scotia leaving Canada to join the USA. I remember when I was there almost every flag I saw was a maple leaf. The Nova Scotian flags that I saw were flying together with maple leafs almost exclusively, and believe me, I saw flags on nearly every second house.

The idea is more that it would be a union of economic necessity rather than any actual will to join the US. As I said before though, its a fairly unlikely outcome in any case. It would require both Quebec placing antagonistic trade restrictions along their claimed portion of Hudson Bay and the US being equally unwilling to let east and west Canada trade through the US, which it probably would be.

[mainiac]

I sincerely disagree that a half supported it thirty years ago. And about a third of Scots support independence, yes. But things may change over the next two years.

That's nice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_referendum,_1979

People have been talking about independence movements in europe like FOR REALZ THIS TIME! for two centuries.  They seldom realize just how unremarkable the separatism of the day is.