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[jester]

Even though he was probably one of the first people responsible for 1 million deaths, I think that its a bit harsh to compare Genghis to newt.

  Genghis got shit done.

[nenjin]

Hearing that Obama bypassed Congress to approve the ACTA just makes me.....so fucking mad. The same president who sat there and acted like he couldn't do shit during the debt crisis but sit on his hands....decides to act unilaterally over this?

I'm seriously considering not voting in this election now. SOPA, PIPA and now ACTA (not to mention NDAA), every chance Obama has had to show he stands with the rights of the common person over the power of business and government, he's chosen to side with more powerful interests.

I really cannot conscious casting my vote for a president who is that deep into the pocket of business, or has so little respect for the magnitude of changes they're trying to foist on people. This is equally as bad as what Bush did all throughout his presidency. I've been on the fence for a long time about Obama, questioning whether I can continue to vote for him despite him doing things I find absolutely appalling. The threat of a Republican president is scary, but right now, Obama is actually doing things that scare me, rather than candidates who scare me with the things that they might do. So while I've been planning to vote for Obama along purely party lines....I think ACTA finally tears it. He wants to bypass Congress' ability to disagree with ACTA completely, and there are FAR MORE IMPORTANT THINGS HE SHOULD DONE THAT ON ALREADY.

[SalmonGod]

Obama has done some decent things on the cultural front, but on absolutely everything else he has said one thing in public, while doing the exact opposite behind closed doors.

[jester]

This may be a freakishly stupid question, but is there any sort of 3rd or even 4th party option in the US?  Nothing like a good protest vote that nets some semi nutters 10% of the vote to shake some trees in the major parties.  Not voting seems like a silly way to get your voice heard.

[Darvi]

Well afaik there was Huntsman as a moderate (that sort of counts as 3rd party right?), but he dropped out  awhile ago.

[Gatleos]

In theory there's a third party option in the U.S.

In practice, it's essentially political suicide.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

We really need to abolish the electoral college. Like in the sense of right now.

[nenjin]

This may be a freakishly stupid question, but is there any sort of 3rd or even 4th party option in the US?  Nothing like a good protest vote that nets some semi nutters 10% of the vote to shake some trees in the major parties.  Not voting seems like a silly way to get your voice heard.

As others have noted, in the US voting third party is called "throwing your vote away" by either of the two party faithfuls. That's how it's seen politically, the only real danger to the establishment by the 3rd party is that it narrows the margin of victory for the two dominant parties. In other words, it makes for fine political theater without actually changing the outcome. The "message" of voting 3rd party gets heard only as long as it takes to declare victory.

[Nadaka]

We really need to abolish the electoral college. Like in the sense of right now.

There is a movement to bypass the electoral college. They need enough states to sign on to get the majority of the electoral votes to activate it.

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

[jester]

This may be a freakishly stupid question, but is there any sort of 3rd or even 4th party option in the US?  Nothing like a good protest vote that nets some semi nutters 10% of the vote to shake some trees in the major parties.  Not voting seems like a silly way to get your voice heard.

As others have noted, in the US voting third party is called "throwing your vote away" by either of the two party faithfuls. That's how it's seen politically, the only real danger to the establishment by the 3rd party is that it narrows the margin of victory for the two dominant parties. In other words, it makes for fine political theater without actually changing the outcome. The "message" of voting 3rd party gets heard only as long as it takes to declare victory.

I..... Ohh.... But..... Not at all???... 2 party system?.... I...

 Im walking away from this thread before my neighbors call the cops about the swearing.

[ECrownofFire]

Two parties is what happens when you have a FPTP system in every single fucking level of government.

[SalmonGod]

And don't forget that the Commission on Presidential Debates, which controls every aspect of the major televised debates that is the strongest influence on the majority of voting Americans outside of party loyalty, is jointly owned and operated by the committees of both major parties.  A large portion of Americans still believe they live in the freest country in the world, too.

[NobodyPro]

[nenjin]

One feels quite sorry for the horse that would have to bear that man.

[Gatleos]

Newt Gingrich will have similar vestments custom-made for himself so that he can wear them as he sits atop his throne in his brand new moon base.