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[palsch]

In the end it's often this simple.

[RedKing]

You realize there's only one appropriate response.

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Why do you think it's racist today but were backing up the "states rights" side of things yesterday?

I'm not going to reignite a smoldering turd. Suffice it to say, if you can't suss out that a nuanced view of the Civil War != support for racism or slavery, I can't help you. I never said Paul was or wasn't a racist, merely that the Civil War isn't as cut and dried as you'd like to think. Start a new thread if you really want to get into this again.

[mainiac]

You realize there's only one appropriate response.

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Why do you think it's racist today but were backing up the "states rights" side of things yesterday?

I'm not going to reignite a smoldering turd. Suffice it to say, if you can't suss out that a nuanced view of the Civil War != support for racism or slavery

I don't think I was calling you pro-slavery.  That's kinda taking the whole strawman thing to a bit of an extreme, don't you think?

Just saying that I don't see how one can consider Ron Paul's remarks racist if the civil war was about states rights.  If it really was just about the nullification crises or whatever, where is the racism in thinking that the anti-federalist side was right?

[GlyphGryph]

You're really not getting this are you? If you want to talk about it, DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD. Then he can spend pages and pages fixing you educational deficiencies, and you can try to do the same for him. Cool? You know what, I'll even create the thread for you.

[mainiac]

This is an entirely different question and I was asking not debating.  Thank you but no thank you.

[Nadaka]

It would be the part where he published racist pamphlets, associated with grand dragons of the KKK and may have been involved (or at least aware of and approved enough to not turn them in) in a white supremacist plot to overthrow the Dominican Republic and has solidly voted against every civil rights legislation ever... And the idea that the north should just buy slaves in order to free them, therefore legitimizing the idea that they were property and not human beings. At this point, there isn't a way to see Ron Paul as anything but racist.


But we have digressed to far:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/office-actor-rainn-wilson-finally-admits-looks-newt-174532667.html

[Aqizzar]

And the idea that the north should just buy slaves in order to free them...

This is one that especially confuses me, since if there's one thing Ron Paul loves to repeat at every opportunity, it's you should never look to the federal government for handouts or assistance.  What greater act of the federal government stepping into both people's property and lives could there be than buying every slave in the South (with tax money) for the express purpose of freeing them?

[Nadaka]

http://news.yahoo.com/arkansas-democrats-cat-killed-painted-liberal-211435575.html

Election related... but let me know if I should take this elsewhere.

Democratic campaign manager for Arkansas 3rd congressional districts cat is beaten to death, spray painted with the word liberal and left on his front porch for his kids to find.

[jester]

http://news.yahoo.com/arkansas-democrats-cat-killed-painted-liberal-211435575.html

Election related... but let me know if I should take this elsewhere.

Democratic campaign manager for Arkansas 3rd congressional districts cat is beaten to death, spray painted with the word liberal and left on his front porch for his kids to find.

Idiots, every cat I have ever know was a willfully ignorant sadist at heart and would have tried to get bush back for another 4 years.

On a more serious note though: CHRIST SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST FUCKWITS.  I MEAN ITS A CAT. WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

[Canalan]

It's a GODLESS COMMUNIST LIBERAL CAT you AMERICA HATING SOCIALIST.

On a more serious note, people that willfully injure/kill/torture any animal for any purpose (other than hunting, I guess) should be crucified while on fire.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

On a more serious note, people that willfully injure/kill/torture any animal for any purpose (other than hunting, I guess) should be crucified while on fire.

Always remember, folks: If asked, a decent number of people (if not most) will say that they would save the lives of their favored pets over that of humans that they don't know.

[jester]

On a more serious note, people that willfully injure/kill/torture any animal for any purpose (other than hunting, I guess) should be crucified while on fire.

Always remember, folks: If asked, a decent number of people (if not most) will say that they would save the lives of their favored pets over that of humans that they don't know.

  Check, next time I have to go into mortal danger, im duct taping other peoples pets to myself

[Aqizzar]

Watching NBC Republican debate, moderated by Brian Williams.  Ten minutes in, nothing but prompting for Romney and Gingrich to take shots at each other - Santorum and Paul have yet to speak, since Brian said "Lord knows we all know each other by now" so they didn't even get an introductory statement.  I expected better of you Brian.

[Tilla]

One of Doctor Paul's embittered ex-supporters had this to say after Paul tried to distance himself from the White Supremacy movement:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.
Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.
I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.
For his spokesman to call white racialism a “small ideology” and claim white activists are “wasting their money” trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.
I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to “expose” this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous – and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable
Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

[Zrk2]

One of Doctor Paul's embittered ex-supporters had this to say after Paul tried to distance himself from the White Supremacy movement:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn’t see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul’s extensive involvement in white nationalism.
Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.
I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.
For his spokesman to call white racialism a “small ideology” and claim white activists are “wasting their money” trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.
I don’t know that it is necessarily good for Paul to “expose” this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous – and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable
Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

He's a socialist, he can't be trusted 'CUZ HE HATES ERR FREEDOM!